phyto-estrogens
we have estrogen is us already and we NEED estrogen to grow, don't you think if it effected your hormone levels that much people would stop eating peanut butter/soy products all together by now?

Well Raynor already stated in this topic to avoid SOY at all cost.

I just want his opnions on peanuts






This post was edited by serennia on Oct 24 2009 09:52am

i've never done my homework on trueprotein so maybe i will to see what all dis here repingness is about

and NOW! is probably the most legit company on bb.com... i get their fish oil, green tea, and "super enzymes" (really good and low cost enzymes)

its not 12 bucks a pound. Its $70 for 10lb bag...so thats $7 / pound for 100% pure isolate.

now! has been in business for about 50 years...their product has always dominated in carbon laboratory tests....in addition, almost all of their products are cheaper than competitors (on bodybuilding.com) and are more pure and reliable.

this is actually one of the better questions I've seen recently...



Phytoestrogen is the type of estrogen found most commonly in soy, nuts, certain fruits, etc.


Phytoestrogen food sources Phytoestrogen content (µg/100g)\

Flax seed 379380
Soy beans 103920
Tofu 27150.1
Soy yogurt 10275
Sesame seed 8008.1
Flax bread 7540
Multigrain bread 4798.7
Soy milk 2957.2
Hummus 993
Garlic 603.6
Mung bean sprouts 495.1
Dried apricots 444.5
Alfalfa sprouts 441.4
Dried dates 329.5
Sunflower seed 216
Chestnuts 210.2
Olive oil 180.7
Almonds 131.1
Green bean 105.8
Peanuts 34.5
Onion 32
Blueberry 17.5
Corn 9
Coffee, regular 6.3
Watermelon 2.9
Milk, cow 1.2

only nuts:

Pistachios 382.5
Chestnuts 210.2
Walnuts 139.5
Almonds 131.1
Cashews 121.9
Hazelnuts 107.5
Peanuts 34.5


As you can see...pure flax, soybeans/soy products, sesame seeds, and multigrain breads are the number 1 offenders of phytoestrogen content.


So actually peanuts and peanut butter are on the MUCH lower end of phytoestrogen content. Virtually all fruits and vegetables have some phytoestrogens as plans are typically asexual in nature.

However, why is soy so bad, and flax + nuts + multigrain bread good?

This all has to do with the exact isoflavone breakdown and direct consumption ratio

isoflavones include: genistein, daidzein, glycitein, formononetin.
lignans include: secoisolariciresinol, matairesinol, pinoresinol, lariciresinol


Soy unfortunately has a very poor balance and results in a direct estrogenic effect in the human body.

Peanuts or Flax actually have a good balance and result in a neutral effects in the human body.


Therefore, avoid soy, enjoy peanut butter ;-)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/whey.html
That's 100% isolate @ 12 a pound.
The bag you're referring to is a blend of conc/iso(conc is 1st)

The second part I can't comment on, but the price compared to the other stuff(ON) on bb.com is true.
I'd still venture to other brands honestly that are still less expensive and just as good, if not better quality.
Raynor, do me a favor and when you get a free min, check your email for me.

men do NOT need estrogen introduced into their bodies from outside sources to grow.

our body naturally produces estrogen to balance testosterone levels in the body.

soy is to be avoided at all costs for the advanced estrogenic effect (abuse leads to gyno)

nuts and legumes and flax actually have a neutral effect and can be enjoyed accordingly.

....the page you just sent me....is 100% isolate....read the price of the 10 lb bag

10 Lbs $79.99
Dutch Chocolate
Natural Unflavored
Natural Vanilla


That's actually $8 a pound, so I was a buck off. its not $12 / pound unless you order in smaller quantities? where did you get $12 a pound from?

also ill check email momentarily

Thank you very much

True, I was doing it based off the 1.8 pound jug.