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Sep 17 2018 02:20am
Quote (Condemn @ Sep 17 2018 01:53pm)
carb backload in the morning with juiced kale while intermittent fasting 23/1

don't forget to eat gluten, soy and dairy free


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Sep 17 2018 11:47am
Some of these replies are 1) bro-science, 2)bullshit, 3) troll?

Don't listen to anyone who suggests you a specific macro-split without knowing your bodyweight/TDE.
Anyone who tells you to "drink three proteinshakes a day" is someone you should turn your back to and never listen to again.
Anyone who tells you that to lose weight/cut you need to be on a 500+ deficit hasn't got a single clue of what he's talking about.
Ignore anyone who tells you when to eat or workout ("Workout before breakfast" - "Skip breakfast" - "Take casein before bedtime" etc).
Ignore everyone who tells you to ignore gluten/lactose/meat. If you're gluten/lactose-intolerant, I don't need to tell you to not eat a regular bread or have a glass of milk.. If you're not though, enjoy your bread and milk!

Who/what you should listen to is science and professionals.

Therefore, I'm not gonna tell you to "listen to me" and give you some bullshit personal-advice that's worked for me. Instead, I'll refer you to research (I'm not gonna list it up; google is your friend when it comes to research papers. google.scholar > google, though).

To "counter" some of these tips tho...
1.5-2g protein per kg bodyweight has been proven to be optimal for muscle-building (regardless of whether or not your bulking or cutting). There is a slight argument for some athletes that 2.5g per kg bodyweight is necessary, but this argument holds little ground (and I doubt you fall under this category).

As you pointed out yourself, OP, a 500kcal deficit might be extreme. 200-300~ is what most experts will advice on a cut -> Any more than that is only gonna ensure that you're cutting away your muscle.

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Sep 17 2018 11:54am
Quote (Galera88 @ Sep 17 2018 05:47pm)
Some of these replies are 1) bro-science, 2)bullshit, 3) troll?

Don't listen to anyone who suggests you a specific macro-split without knowing your bodyweight/TDE.
Anyone who tells you to "drink three proteinshakes a day" is someone you should turn your back to and never listen to again.
Anyone who tells you that to lose weight/cut you need to be on a 500+ deficit hasn't got a single clue of what he's talking about.
Ignore anyone who tells you when to eat or workout ("Workout before breakfast" - "Skip breakfast" - "Take casein before bedtime" etc).
Ignore everyone who tells you to ignore gluten/lactose/meat. If you're gluten/lactose-intolerant, I don't need to tell you to not eat a regular bread or have a glass of milk.. If you're not though, enjoy your bread and milk!

Who/what you should listen to is science and professionals.

Therefore, I'm not gonna tell you to "listen to me" and give you some bullshit personal-advice that's worked for me. Instead, I'll refer you to research (I'm not gonna list it up; google is your friend when it comes to research papers. google.scholar > google, though).

To "counter" some of these tips tho...
1.5-2g protein per kg bodyweight has been proven to be optimal for muscle-building (regardless of whether or not your bulking or cutting). There is a slight argument for some athletes that 2.5g per kg bodyweight is necessary, but this argument holds little ground (and I doubt you fall under this category).

As you pointed out yourself, OP, a 500kcal deficit might be extreme. 200-300~ is what most experts will advice on a cut -> Any more than that is only gonna ensure that you're cutting away your muscle.


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To create weight loss, more energy must be expended than consumed. This can be accomplished by increasing caloric expenditure while reducing caloric intake. The size of this caloric deficit and the length of time it is maintained will determine how much weight is lost. Every pound of pure body fat that is metabolized yields approximately 3500 kcals, thus a daily caloric deficit of 500 kcals theoretically results in fat loss of approximately one pound per week if the weight loss comes entirely from body fat [7]. However, a static mathematical model does not represent the dynamic physiological adaptations that occur in response to an imposed energy deficit [8].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4033492/


You obviously have to base it off of an individuals TDEE, but to say that I don't have a clue what I'm talking about is hilarious. I've lost over 200 lbs and successfully reshaped my entire body composition over the better part of the last decade.
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Sep 17 2018 12:05pm
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You obviously have to base it off of an individuals TDEE, but to say that I don't have a clue what I'm talking about is hilarious. I've lost over 200 lbs and successfully reshaped my entire body composition over the better part of the last decade.


I stand by what I said.

Anyone who tells you that to lose weight/cut you needto be on a 500+ deficit hasn't got a clue of what he's talking about.

What's worked for you is irrelevant. You'd lose weight at a 1000kcal deficit as well. However, a 500kcal deficit isn't an universal rule that everyone "needs" to follow if they want to lose weight.

As OP said -he's lost 9lbs in 3 weeks. You suggested that he needs to drop his calories further. That's false. Why create a larger deficit when he's already accomplishing his goal (of losing weight)? That's only gonna ensure that he's losing muscle-tissue.

Quote (yostraydog @ Aug 25 2018 03:22am)
2 lbs a week is great.. you’re doing to lose any muscle you have if you go any more in a deficit

This guy knows what's up.

This post was edited by Galera88 on Sep 17 2018 12:06pm
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Sep 17 2018 12:31pm
Quote (Galera88 @ Sep 17 2018 06:05pm)
I stand by what I said.

Anyone who tells you that to lose weight/cut you needto be on a 500+ deficit hasn't got a clue of what he's talking about.

What's worked for you is irrelevant. You'd lose weight at a 1000kcal deficit as well. However, a 500kcal deficit isn't an universal rule that everyone "needs" to follow if they want to lose weight.

As OP said -he's lost 9lbs in 3 weeks. You suggested that he needs to drop his calories further. That's false. Why create a larger deficit when he's already accomplishing his goal (of losing weight)? That's only gonna ensure that he's losing muscle-tissue.


This guy knows what's up.



Let me help you really quickly.. TDEE is not universal, the required deficit is.

How so? I’ll summarize the article above that you didn’t read.

1 lb of fat is roughly 3500 calories. In order to burn 1 lb of fat per WEEK “7 days”, you need to eat 500 cals less “500x7=3500 calories, or 1 lb of fat”.

The first few weeks of weight loss, you’re also losing a large amount of water weight through insensible loss. Any deficit will end up in successful weight loss, but in order to optimize loss you need to understand physically how it works.

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Sep 17 2018 12:41pm
Quote (ozzyarmy3 @ Sep 17 2018 06:31pm)
Let me help you really quickly.. TDEE is not universal, the required deficit is.

How so? I’ll summarize the article above that you didn’t read.

1 lb of fat is roughly 3500 calories. In order to burn 1 lb of fat per WEEK “7 days”, you need to eat 500 cals less “500x7=3500 calories, or 1 lb of fat”.

The first few weeks of weight loss, you’re also losing a large amount of water weight through insensible loss. Any deficit will end up in successful weight loss, but in order to optimize loss you need to understand physically how it works.


I fail to see where OP asked to lose 1lb of fat per week, but that's besides the point.. I never said that a 500kcal deficit's never the answer.

Read this sentence 3 more times and digest is before you reply again.

"Anyone who tells you that to lose weight/cut you need to be on a 500+ deficit hasn't got a clue of what he's talking about."

My argument is that: You don't know his/her TDEE. You don't know his/her bodyweight. You don't even know his/her gender. He/she could be a 55kg heavy woman with 16% bodyfat wanting to cut. Suggesting "500kcal deficit for weight-loss" as an universal rule is silly. And suggesting that he/she needs to cut calories further when he/she's already dropped 9lbs in 3 weeks is silly.

Quote (ozzyarmy3 @ Sep 17 2018 06:44pm)
You’re right, half a pound a week is optimal. I concede, listen to this guy. You’ll be 20 lbs down by the next decade.

Not at all what I said. I'm arguing that suggesting someone who's losing 2lbs a week to double their cut because you say so is silly.

This post was edited by Galera88 on Sep 17 2018 12:47pm
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Quote (Galera88 @ Sep 17 2018 06:41pm)
I fail to see where OP asked to lose 1lb of fat per week, but that's besides the point.. I never said that a 500kcal deficit's never the answer.

Read this sentence 3 more times and digest is before you reply again.

"Anyone who tells you that to lose weight/cut you need to be on a 500+ deficit hasn't got a clue of what he's talking about."


You’re right, half a pound a week is optimal. I concede, listen to this guy. You’ll be 20 lbs down by the next decade.
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