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i throew chiro's in the same bag as nurses, dentists and tradies
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Great, read this thread other day and pinched something in my back today on bor

fuck you guys
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You're not seeing the role of the chiro in its proper light. You refer to them as quacks. So what do you have to say about my current chiro, who was able to quickly resolve my slipped disc--when my physician actually fumbled the diagnosis and told me nothing could be done about it? What would you say about my physician? Interestingly enough, he's easily one of the most knowledgeable and intelligent physicians I know.

Moreover, when that same physician said he couldn't tell if I had scoliosis when I reported it, my current chiro (and the one I used before him) noticed it on day one? And yes, scans have revealed scoliosis. Yet you claim that MDs are better at everything.

The fact of the matter is that many MDs are nearly or fully incompetent. They aren't alone as far as medical professionals go, but the ones who are incompetent don't seem to create a bad reputation for the profession. Yet you label chiros as quacks in general with absolutely no supporting evidence. Also, as diagnosticians, it's not like MDs always get it right. Far from it. A good MD will usually get it right--no doubt--but I've heard countless stories of failed referrals, failed diagnoses, and so on.

If not all oranges are shit, I hope you're willing to admit that if this abstracts to physicians, it also abstracts to chiropractors.


Ok fine, chiros can detect any back problem at sight and possibly fix it through manipulation, but DO's, physical therapists, osteo surgeons can also fix a majority of musculoskeletal issues. Sure a PCP wouldn't be able to do much as theywouldn't want to risk litigation for giving bad advice or misleading advice.

No MD's are better at everything because they're trained to be able to pretty much everything health related.

MD's are fully incompetent? and Chiro's aren't? if you want to go off stories, I've heard worse about chiros than MD's as chiros often crack somebody's back and fuck it up even worse than it was before, more litigations, lawsuits, malpractice, etc. Chiro's just didn't put in the time and effort that MD's have in years of schooling and residency.

There are good and bad in every profession, just like there are shitty oranges in the class of oranges.

But MD's detect
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Mar 9 2017 05:25pm
If you go medical route (Family practice or outpatient IM), which I would go, you would get a thoracic MRI looking for disc herniation/bulging and/or inflammed nerve which it sounds like could be the case. If anything comes back positive you will be directed to neurosurgery. You can go to neurosurgery to begin with but without a referral it would cost you more money and they would start with an MRI anyway. They would make you do a month of PT before you are a surgical candidate due to insurance reasons (if you are a surgical candidate). If you are one but don't want surgery PM&R is probably where you would get sent to. If you are not one then you would also go to PM&R. I would personally stay away from a chiropractor - I've heard good things and seen bad things. Never the less I would start with the MRI because more information doesn't hurt. Best of luck. As others have said, there are good doctors and there are bad ones. Do your research and take your time.

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Quote (Excusemem8 @ Mar 9 2017 03:52pm)
i throew chiro's in the same bag as nurses, dentists and tradies



This. Chiropractors only need a certificate. Physios need a degree.
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Quote (RewtheBrave @ Mar 7 2017 04:37pm)
A chiropractor is not a pseudo-physician. It's just another health care practitioner. People like solutions, not systematic arrogance. You go to who can fix you.


If the chiro has any sense he would assess this guy and then tell him he needs to go see a medical doctor for an MRI and spinal assessment.
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Quote (bjones9 @ Mar 9 2017 11:42pm)
This. Chiropractors only need a certificate. Physios need a degree.


Chiros get a 4 year doctorate in North America. Then again so do NDs unfortunately
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Quote (cloudkicker @ 10 Mar 2017 10:34)
If the chiro has any sense he would assess this guy and then tell him he needs to go see a medical doctor for an MRI and spinal assessment.


If the chiro had any sense and could resolve the issue, then he/she would resolve it. This could be done post-assessment/MRI or without need for it, depending on the problem. Why would you think I'm assuming a chiro would just jump into something with knowing what needs to be fixed? I mean, there is ALWAYS an assessment first from a chiro. They refer out as necessary. they aren't trying to be renegade heroes.

My sense is that people look down on chiropractors without much understanding of the level of education and experience most of them have. The fact that a lot of people have been calling them quacks in here is disturbing. And there's a systematic arrogance about how much ALL doctors know, how unerring they are, how smart they all are, and that's absolute hogwash. There are TONS of quack MDs out there. There's just too much veneration of MDs. I'm NOT saying they're a bunch of buffoons, I'm just saying they're human and there are plenty of limits to what they know (and some of those limits are limits in medical know-how, nobody knows everything).

I don't think there's ANY difference in terms of efficacy between a good MD and a good chiro. It's just two smart practitioners who know what they are doing within the scope of their respective practices.

If someone has a sore back and goes to a chiropractor, on average, I think that's as good a choice as going to a GP. You could say the GP should be the 1st step, but in a lot of cases, it's a waste of time. If the chiro is going to screen and assess the client anyway, there are some cases where the client gets referred to a physician. I've had a few back injuries/ailments, and most of the time I've gone to my chiro 1st. And that actually stems from my GP getting two of my injuries wrong when the chiro got them right. I trust a couple chiro's I know to be better able to assess and treat the spine than my GP. It's a question of domain and expertise. You could say "oh, you just have a bad GP", which runs counter to the theme some have been espousing here--i.e., it seems impossible that a bad GP could exist--but in point of fact my GP is one of the brighter and more knowledgeable GPs I've met based on conversations I've had with him.

What I'm really arguing for is just protecting someone who comes in here asking for help with his back. If a chiro is systematically excluded as a possible helper, I think that's irresponsible and dangerous.

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If the chiro had any sense and could resolve the issue, then he/she would resolve it. This could be done post-assessment/MRI or without need for it, depending on the problem. Why would you think I'm assuming a chiro would just jump into something with knowing what needs to be fixed? I mean, there is ALWAYS an assessment first from a chiro. They refer out as necessary. they aren't trying to be renegade heroes.

My sense is that people look down on chiropractors without much understanding of the level of education and experience most of them have. The fact that a lot of people have been calling them quacks in here is disturbing. And there's a systematic arrogance about how much ALL doctors know, how unerring they are, how smart they all are, and that's absolute hogwash. There are TONS of quack MDs out there. There's just too much veneration of MDs. I'm NOT saying they're a bunch of buffoons, I'm just saying they're human and there are plenty of limits to what they know (and some of those limits are limits in medical know-how, nobody knows everything).

I don't think there's ANY difference in terms of efficacy between a good MD and a good chiro. It's just two smart practitioners who know what they are doing within the scope of their respective practices.

If someone has a sore back and goes to a chiropractor, on average, I think that's as good a choice as going to a GP. You could say the GP should be the 1st step, but in a lot of cases, it's a waste of time. If the chiro is going to screen and assess the client anyway, there are some cases where the client gets referred to a physician. I've had a few back injuries/ailments, and most of the time I've gone to my chiro 1st. And that actually stems from my GP getting two of my injuries wrong when the chiro got them right. I trust a couple chiro's I know to be better able to assess and treat the spine than my GP. It's a question of domain and expertise. You could say "oh, you just have a bad GP", which runs counter to the theme some have been espousing here--i.e., it seems impossible that a bad GP could exist--but in point of fact my GP is one of the brighter and more knowledgeable GPs I've met based on conversations I've had with him.

What I'm really arguing for is just protecting someone who comes in here asking for help with his back. If a chiro is systematically excluded as a possible helper, I think that's irresponsible and dangerous.


Dude, I'm starting to think that your chiro gave you more than just a back tweak...8=D~
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