wouldn't be worried about muscle wasting, he wants to get low % bf then get on. I'd get to desired BF then start using test. Oral only cycle is just no bueno.

Yeah but below a certain bf level when you cut natty it's extremely hard to not lose muscle. I'd still recommend the anavar from a pros vs cons perspective.

Yeh but as lightman says. People lose years of gains by cutting wrong naturally. It's not very easy. Why regress when you don't have to?

Besides, 2 short blasts (2 weeks at a time of the anavar and clen and then 2 weeks off) he probably wouldn't even be very suppressed

This post was edited by tommyd323 on Feb 27 2017 12:16pm

Ehhhh after doing some research on anavar, it seems a little dangerous to be taking it without taking test

and its one of the most mild acting steroid profiles too. (anavar)
test is essential to cycles, does a lot more than just help put on muscle.

This post was edited by Tear on Feb 27 2017 01:25pm

yup, and as a natty you can run test only cycles several times and make great gains without having to run a shit load of gear

test at 250mg/wk or even lower would ward off the muscle loss tommy is talking about and since OP is familiar with keto, wouldn't retain much water and look bloated

plus boners

what % bf again?

loool want to get to 8% and you think you need shit to get there.

Breh, take a solid month of eating right, and adding HIIT. Golden, natty, and you're there

I mean it's prescribed to children without test. But I'm just giving my input as to what I'd do being as selfish as possible with the gains.

I decided to thug life it and go with the anavar as well, starting my cycle friday