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Sep 26 2016 12:17am
Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 26 2016 12:41am)
Somatotypes and Myers-Briggs are both heuristic systems that are both shown to be inaccurate and unsuitable for systematic prediction of outcomes. They're almost in the same category as phrenology. Sure thing, both are valid observations and you can categorize the observations arbitrarily, but they don't live up to what they promise. I don't read men's health magazines, get your argumentation in check.

The most consensual is the Big Five, and i'm pretty sure about that. Even this categorization is arbitrary, but the biggest difference is that it's reliable and repeatable, which the Myers-Briggs is not. Same people score different combinations depending on circumstances. Hell, i've scored both introvert and extrovert on different occasions. That's pretty bad even though i'm just one anecdotal example.

Myers-Briggs asks you something, and essentially gives you what you answered in an altered form. There's no new information there, yet people just wonder how they end up being perfectly described after answering, without realizing they actually just gave these descriptions themselves by answering the questions.


so inaccurate = valid now. nice self contradiction. somatotypes are also determined in coupling per individual, e.g one isn't completely endo or ecto or meso, but an intersection. it doesn't need all that research when just a few show a controlled group eating a fixed amount per day, exercise a fixed amount of time and effort, drinking a fixed amount of liquids of the same type and yet gain/lose different amounts of lbs on average. it's as inaccurate as describing gravity.

MB>5 on pretty much everything- bigger confidence levels, smaller alpha and beta errors and more variables in the regression making for a much less slanted module. what 5 is, is more popular since most researchers in their MA's and PhD's use them to validate their bs speculations with a much more forgiving module. So just like a freshman you make the mistake of thinking popular = consensual. take your anecdote and shove it.

i guess by your logic, Kahnman's groundbreaking nobel-prize winning discovery of human irrationality is crap because it asks you the same thing in an altered form and voila, people consistently answered according to his prediction.
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Sep 26 2016 07:31am
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so inaccurate = valid now. nice self contradiction. somatotypes are also determined in coupling per individual, e.g one isn't completely endo or ecto or meso, but an intersection. it doesn't need all that research when just a few show a controlled group eating a fixed amount per day, exercise a fixed amount of time and effort, drinking a fixed amount of liquids of the same type and yet gain/lose different amounts of lbs on average. it's as inaccurate as describing gravity.

MB>5 on pretty much everything- bigger confidence levels, smaller alpha and beta errors and more variables in the regression making for a much less slanted module. what 5 is, is more popular since most researchers in their MA's and PhD's use them to validate their bs speculations with a much more forgiving module. So just like a freshman you make the mistake of thinking popular = consensual. take your anecdote and shove it.

i guess by your logic, Kahnman's groundbreaking nobel-prize winning discovery of human irrationality is crap because it asks you the same thing in an altered form and voila, people consistently answered according to his prediction.


You know, this doesn't make any sense. I say something and you say nuh-uh, so lets leave it at that. This is way too common in controversial topics and especially psychology where something like 50% or more of studies can't be repeated, so it just becomes a fight between schools where i can't know if you're just cherry picking results to your favour.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Sep 26 2016 07:37am
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You know, this doesn't make any sense. I say something and you say nuh-uh, so lets leave it at that. This is way too common in controversial topics and especially psychology where something like 50% or more of studies can't be repeated, so it just becomes a fight between schools.


Ughh u god damn virgin. Lightman rekt'd you just face it
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Sep 26 2016 07:45am
Quote (Excusemem8 @ Sep 26 2016 03:37pm)
Ughh u god damn virgin. Lightman rekt'd you just face it


I could go and say the complete opposite ("nuh-uh") but what would that prove? The next step would be to start citing sources and that will just end up being a cherry-picking contest and anyone worth their salt knows that forming an opinion based on a few studies is just bs. Consensus is formed through the acceptance of the psychological community after countless studies, and iirc, the Big Five has most correlates with other fields that study the brain (i.e. psychiatry, neuroscience etc.) and is more commonly seen in the scientific community in general. I'm still not even saying that the Big Five is perfect either. It also is just an arbitrary system of categorization that happened to have a broader span of applications.

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Sep 26 2016 08:02am
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I could go and say the complete opposite ("nuh-uh") but what would that prove? The next step would be to start citing sources and that will just end up being a cherry-picking contest and anyone worth their salt knows that forming an opinion based on a few studies is just bs. Consensus is formed through the acceptance of the psychological community after countless studies, and iirc, the Big Five has most correlates with other fields that study the brain (i.e. psychiatry, neuroscience etc.) and is more commonly seen in the scientific community in general. I'm still not even saying that the Big Five is perfect either. It also is just an arbitrary system of categorization that happened to have a broader span of applications.


Neptumus? More like numb-skull

Me and lighty are literally LMAOing at you on right now


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Sep 26 2016 08:11am
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Neptumus? More like numb-skull

Me and lighty are literally LMAOing at you on right now


I'm LMAOing at myself too for ever joining the discussion

This post was edited by Neptunus on Sep 26 2016 08:14am
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Sep 26 2016 09:24am
Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 26 2016 11:31pm)
You know, this doesn't make any sense. I say something and you say nuh-uh, so lets leave it at that. This is way too common in controversial topics and especially psychology where something like 50% or more of studies can't be repeated, so it just becomes a fight between schools where i can't know if you're just cherry picking results to your favour.


Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 26 2016 11:45pm)
I could go and say the complete opposite ("nuh-uh") but what would that prove? The next step would be to start citing sources and that will just end up being a cherry-picking contest and anyone worth their salt knows that forming an opinion based on a few studies is just bs. Consensus is formed through the acceptance of the psychological community after countless studies, and iirc, the Big Five has most correlates with other fields that study the brain (i.e. psychiatry, neuroscience etc.) and is more commonly seen in the scientific community in general. I'm still not even saying that the Big Five is perfect either. It also is just an arbitrary system of categorization that happened to have a broader span of applications.



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Sep 26 2016 10:16am
I'd go for McCrae and Costa over Myers-Briggs.
In my personal experience their model is far more used in than Myers-Briggs and it's not as fluctuating either.

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Sep 26 2016 03:15pm
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I cry when i see someone say a few individuals is enough to form a consensus on somatotypes. That or acting like statistics and data is something that can't be manipulated and falsely interpreted, or that studies are never being cherry picked. Screw popularity and consensus in science, we have a visionary here.
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Sep 26 2016 05:05pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 27 2016 07:15am)
I cry when i see someone say a few individuals is enough to form a consensus on somatotypes. That or acting like statistics and data is something that can't be manipulated and falsely interpreted, or that studies are never being cherry picked. Screw popularity and consensus in science, we have a visionary here.



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