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Mar 17 2015 10:43am
Quote (Wretch @ Mar 17 2015 11:36am)
any particular reason you drink a shake before you work out? just curious, cause i always drink mine straight after, never really thought twice about it


your body doesnt begin to grow / repair itself until you sleep

but the thought that preparing your body before the tears begin kinda gives me the mentality that i'm "doing" the right thing and I'm always "growing"


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Mar 17 2015 12:10pm
Quote (drizzyD @ Mar 17 2015 06:43pm)
your body doesnt begin to grow / repair itself until you sleep

but the thought that preparing your body before the tears begin kinda gives me the mentality that i'm "doing" the right thing and I'm always "growing"


No. It breaks down and rebuilds 24/7.
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Mar 17 2015 01:08pm
Quote (Balla @ 17 Mar 2015 11:15)
Not really
it's not something the average trainee should actively seek. Resistance training alone doesn't deplete glycogen stores to a sufficient amount to really garner a need

I also don't know if sugar ingestion inhibits GH secretion. It could maybe make sense through downregulating ghrelin post-prandially, but then any nutrient would do that so not sure.
However, even if it's true, it doesn't matter. The GH rise post exercise doesn't do much in the way of promoting protein synth and total hypertrophy.

Also, nah, for "best results" you don't need to eat within 30 minutes. Pretty sure that was the whole point of the meta-analysis put together by Brad and Alan.. to crush that thought process of an anabolic window. You have a conclusive couple of hours at least. Oh, and btw, glycogen depletion doesn't impede protein synthesis as much as you believe, at least using p70s6k as a proxy in your measurement.


my thoughts had pretty much nothing to do with protein sythesis specifically. I didn't even give it a second thought that it would impede protein sythesis tbh

also, read my other comment. You're right about the 30 minute thing. Like mentioned, hitting your macros seems to be what's important. Also, I never read or heard about the meta-analysis you mentioned. I do little research on this sort of thing but it's certainly giving me incentive to devote time to actually study it. I find it fascinating. The CSCS book I have also suggests a couple hour window if you read between the lines
Lastly, the CSCS book specifically says resistance training puts a high demand on the muscles and their glycogen stores (I understand there are other factors to take into consideration in this though, such as total work performed, time, and intensity relative to VO2 max) so I'm going to believe the text book unless you have something concrete to say otherwise. Unless my 5AM reading was backwards and I remember it wrong (possible, as it was 5AM...)

As a side question, why would monosaccharides or disaccharides inhibit GH? Would polysaccharides also inhibit it? And since we're on the topic, why would any carb inhibit GH when your body needs carbs to begin with? seems counter productive for such an efficient system.

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my thoughts had pretty much nothing to do with protein sythesis specifically. I didn't even give it a second thought that it would impede protein sythesis tbh

also, read my other comment. You're right about the 30 minute thing. Like mentioned, hitting your macros seems to be what's important. Also, I never read or heard about the meta-analysis you mentioned. I do little research on this sort of thing but it's certainly giving me incentive to devote time to actually study it. I find it fascinating. The CSCS book I have also suggests a couple hour window if you read between the lines
Lastly, the CSCS book specifically says resistance training puts a high demand on the muscles and their glycogen stores (I understand there are other factors to take into consideration in this though, such as total work performed, time, and intensity relative to VO2 max) so I'm going to believe the text book unless you have something concrete to say otherwise.



You said for best results.. So what'd you mean by that? I was assuming hypertrophy/body composition which would necessitate alluding to protein synthesis rates as well.

Notwithstanding, one thing to realize is that your body becomes more efficient at.. Storing fuel and utilizing it.

There's actually been a couple of studies to look at bodybuilders glycogen depletion from a roughly 30 minute bout of leg excercises, mostly purely quad ones, decently high volume. They found at most like 25-30% gly depletion in the vastus lateralis. That's it. In a pretty good, isolated bp, typical leg workout.
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Mar 19 2015 09:08pm
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ 17 Mar 2015 14:37)
You said for best results.. So what'd you mean by that? I was assuming hypertrophy/body composition which would necessitate alluding to protein synthesis rates as well.

Notwithstanding, one thing to realize is that your body becomes more efficient at.. Storing fuel and utilizing it.

There's actually been a couple of studies to look at bodybuilders glycogen depletion from a roughly 30 minute bout of leg excercises, mostly purely quad ones, decently high volume. They found at most like 25-30% gly depletion in the vastus lateralis. That's it. In a pretty good, isolated bp, typical leg workout.


Yeah, I said for best results just because the sooner you begin refueling the better. It wasn't an educated answer by any means.

Absolutely, you body does become more efficient. At least, I can certainly believe it.

yeah, 30 minute workout won't deplete it excessively. The CSCS book was talking about high depletion from 90+ minutes of exercise, which I frequently do in the gym when I am there. I'm sure many others also do that. I should just take a picture of it and post what it says. Kinda lazy right meow tho.

I'm curious to know how the glycogen depletion would compare between someone like a body builder to someone like you or I who may work out but isn't in the gym constantly or working each muscle group THAT much.
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Mar 20 2015 09:51am
Quote (drizzyD @ Mar 17 2015 10:43am)
your body doesnt begin to grow / repair itself until you sleep

but the thought that preparing your body before the tears begin kinda gives me the mentality that i'm "doing" the right thing and I'm always "growing"


zzzz idiot...
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