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Feb 25 2015 02:39pm
Quote (Afficionado @ Feb 25 2015 11:05am)
The justifications one will go through to skip squats never ceases to amaze me..


more like the justifications to get the meatiest legs possible
compound lifts are all unnecessary for bodybuilding/hypertrophy and all come at higher risk of injury
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Feb 25 2015 02:41pm
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more like the justifications to get the meatiest legs possible
compound lifts are all unnecessary for bodybuilding/hypertrophy and all come at higher risk of injury


Do you lack dedication to learn good form?
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Feb 25 2015 02:43pm
Quote (bones0187 @ Feb 25 2015 01:39pm)
more like the justifications to get the meatiest legs possible
compound lifts are all unnecessary for bodybuilding/hypertrophy and all come at higher risk of injury


U should rewrite all the sticky's in HnF, #wouldfollowtothegravemasterrace
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Feb 26 2015 12:14am
Quote (Aube @ Feb 25 2015 02:41pm)
Do you lack dedication to learn good form?


not at all, I actually use perfect form on everything, been lifting for 14 years, I dont care about weight, I use complete control and full range of motion on everything focusing on the muscles the lift is for and using them. Some people have bad back genetics and will eventually get pinched nerves or slipped disks just from years of lifting, others knees or hips. Also for bodybuilding purposes hitting isolation exercises that cause less stress on the joints as opposed to many compound lifts is necessary due to the sheer volume most bodybuilders will do. It eventually wears and tears down the joints, specially if you are enhanced and your musclular strength is growing faster than your joints.
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Feb 26 2015 12:39am
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not at all, I actually use perfect form on everything, been lifting for 14 years, I dont care about weight, I use complete control and full range of motion on everything focusing on the muscles the lift is for and using them. Some people have bad back genetics and will eventually get pinched nerves or slipped disks just from years of lifting, others knees or hips. Also for bodybuilding purposes hitting isolation exercises that cause less stress on the joints as opposed to many compound lifts is necessary due to the sheer volume most bodybuilders will do. It eventually wears and tears down the joints, specially if you are enhanced and your musclular strength is growing faster than your joints.


what don't u get about extensions being more stressful on the patellar joint than squats? and r u srsly making a case for isolations using "sheer volume" as an argument? that's exactly where compounds shine, cost efficiency.

for 14 yrs of lifting figures you'd learn something by now.
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Feb 26 2015 12:58am
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what don't u get about extensions being more stressful on the patellar joint than squats? and r u srsly making a case for isolations using "sheer volume" as an argument? that's exactly where compounds shine, cost efficiency.

for 14 yrs of lifting figures you'd learn something by now.


do you even logic

how is it better to do 12 sets of squats instead of 12 sets on 4 lifts targeting specific muscles where each muscle is getting maximal overload on that lift where compounds it is more spread out. Sure on squats you will hit glutes, hammies, abd/add, and quads but if you go do extensions for quads, leg press for quads, leg curls for hammies, lunges for hammies/quads, abductor and adductor machine for <----, and kick backs / hip thrusts for glutes, you are activating and tearing more muscle fibers per group tremendously than you would just doing squats and a couple lifts.

Bodybuilding is about hypertrophy and volume training is best for hypertrophy no question and what I just gave is very typical for any volume training routine. Squats also can cause spinal area damage like pinched nerves and slipped discs no matter how good your form is just due to the compression of your spine over time, specially if you grow muscular strength faster than your joints gain strength and synthesize.
Some people are genetics freaks though and have amazing joint and back/knee genetics and can deadlift and squat their whole life, but most bodybuilders who have been doing it for awhile will attest that they have ran into shoulder/back/knee/hip problems when they did too many compound lifts, and you talk to the ones who have been doing isolation exercises and they RARELY get injured.

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Quote (bones0187 @ Feb 26 2015 08:58am)
do you even logic

how is it better to do 12 sets of squats instead of 12 sets on 4 lifts targeting specific muscles where each muscle is getting maximal overload on that lift where compounds it is more spread out. Sure on squats you will hit glutes, hammies, abd/add, and quads but if you go do extensions for quads, leg press for quads, leg curls for hammies, lunges for hammies/quads, abductor and adductor machine for <----, and kick backs / hip thrusts for glutes, you are activating and tearing more muscle fibers per group tremendously than you would just doing squats and a couple lifts.

Bodybuilding is about hypertrophy and volume training is best for hypertrophy no question and what I just gave is very typical for any volume training routine. Squats also can cause spinal area damage like pinched nerves and slipped discs no matter how good your form is just due to the compression of your spine over time, specially if you grow muscular strength faster than your joints gain strength and synthesize.
Some people are genetics freaks though and have amazing joint and back/knee genetics and can deadlift and squat their whole life, but most bodybuilders who have been doing it for awhile will attest that they have ran into shoulder/back/knee/hip problems when they did too many compound lifts, and you talk to the ones who have been doing isolation exercises and they RARELY get injured.


because when you do 3 compound sets, you hit every muscle in conjecture for 3 sets, instead of 12 sets for 3 per muscle using your example - your CNS thanks you. you don't "tear the muscle" more unless you work like a retard.

even volume has to come with progressive overload. if you keep doing the same amount of reps/sets with the same weight at the same tut (<- which u prolly do), you'll hit a glass ceiling.
everything can fuck with your nerves/tendons. the highest tendonitis cases come from extensions rather than squats. back problems are more associated with squats than knee problems.

intuition isn't logic.
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Feb 26 2015 10:11am
To each his own. But for me lifting without hitting the big 3 is retarded as can be. I guess I've developed a powerliftng mentality Cuz I'm the opposite idc about mass/asestetics(they are nice bonuses) I care about weight moved. That's what addicts me to lifting, slowly increasing my lifts in hopes of hitting my goals(in which case new goals are immediately set)


As for ur argument bones squats are the best lower body exercise bar none and unless u are injured or at risk for injury ur just being a pussy. Squats are the king
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Feb 26 2015 12:23pm
i like front squats, dont do any others since i have a big enough ass and already cant find any pants that fit :mellow:
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