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Dec 9 2014 07:35am
Quote (PinataParty @ Dec 9 2014 01:13am)
mathematically, low HR hits your fat reserves more efficiently resulting in faster %fat loss while high HR does infact burn more calories, but doesnt result in as much %fat as low HR.

for example, if you want to work out your calves and person a ends up lifting a total of 200 pounds while person b ends up lifting a total of 50 pounds.
person a does squats and lets say only 15% of the 200 goes into calves (totaling 30lbs into calves) while person b does an exercise that sends 90% of weight into calves (totaling 45lbs into calves).
even though less pounds are lifted, person b has had a more effective calf exercise.


Nah b. The differences between ct and hiit are pretty negligible in terms of fat loss. Yes while performing the exercise the RER values indicate a greater proportion of energy expended from fat at lower intensities but you have to consider o2 debt of higher intensity exercise, similar mitochondrial biogenesis, greater propensity for anabolism in hiit etc etc. I know you may have been spoon fed this idea that you ONLY burn fat by walking and you ONLY burn carbs by sprinting in some exercise science class but it's really not that simple and the benefits of both forms of exercise involve fat oxidation as well as aerobic improvement
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Dec 9 2014 11:42pm
Quote (BodyBuild @ Dec 8 2014 07:24pm)
Have you touched it?  DNP is pretty gay.

And don't say shit like that cause you will have an idiot megadose and die.


No "idiot" will be able to get ahold of DNP. Lol
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Dec 10 2014 12:50am
Read somewhere that you said walk and skipped to post. What about fast walking such as hiking but not just hiking, hiking fast and not just hiking fast hiking with 50-80lbs extra weihht
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Dec 10 2014 10:01pm
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Dec 10 2014 11:16pm
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No "idiot" will be able to get ahold of DNP. Lol


Anyone can get ahold of anything, it's not hard
And the sides of DNP are the most shit things ever, worse then clen(which Iv done)

Yoh +alb are my go to, minimal sides, half legal, and fasted Cardio is a good after feeling
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Dec 10 2014 11:29pm
Quote (PinataParty @ Dec 8 2014 10:40pm)
the point of my post is that biochemically walking uses up more %fat for energy than running, running causes an exponential decay while walking does not. no matter how fast you run, youll lose more fat by walking.
ofcourse.. youll lose weight by starving yourself but doing that breaks your muscle down for energy. best option is to eat healthy and walk.

a low HR workout like a powerwalk requires less immediate energy which causes the body to burn fat rather than go into your immediate energy for high HR intensive workouts, which burn into your carbs.  youll see that you lose more calories but burning carbs before they are fat results in higher calorie loss but burning fat is what youre aiming for not burning off the food you just ate..

basically..... when you walk, you arent as tired so fast and you can sustain your walk for 3-4hours which allows your body to naturally go into fat reserves before breaking down carbs which is GOOD.  if you are at a high intensive workout, the body cannot sustain this for very long and it knows burning fat takes too long so it shifts to burning other resources for energy..basically you burn whatever you can for immediate energy, which is not fat.

athletes need to keep high HR because the more high HR workouts you do, the more efficient your body is at burning immediate reserves providing you more energy than a non-athlete would for a sprint piece allowing your muscles to not fatigue and get clogged up by lactate, which is good because if youre an athlete doing a 2k sprint, you want to be able to go 100% for all 2,000M, treating every meter like the first meter..


if you want to burn fat before you condition yourself for sports, walk and eat healthy. THEN do sprints and high HR workouts.
if you want to go straight into conditioning, go with high HR workouts because itll still help you burn fat in two ways, first ~5min will be the same as walking, rest will burn what would have turned into fat so when you sleep your body will burn the fat as you already burned your immediate energy reserves.



edit1:
the reason why birds are such amazing creatures is that when they fly they are so amazing is that they are able to very quickly turn their fat reserves into immediate energy without breaking down and causing them to fatigue after ~5min of flight. allowing them to migrate miles and miles on very low food. which is obviously necessary for survival.


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here is an article talking about what i talked about but indepth.

edit 3:
the figure below shows that the higher the intensity of the workout (high HR = high %O2 consumption) the less fat is burned.

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/3/336.full

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/3/336/F1.medium.gif
"To use only fat depots for energy a mammal must exercise at very low intensity and walk"


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this is what im saying is not correct.  dont work your ass off, work efficiently and eat healthy. dont tire yourself out as %fat loss is a long term goal and isnt a sprint.  if you tire yourself out youll strain your muscles and youll just have a bad time.


You realize it won't make a difference in your actual fat loss right? Yes, technically the predominate energy substrate during walking is FFAs, however losing fat is still a mathematical phenomenon and someone spending a lot of time walking vs the same deficit spending a lot of time lifting or doing HIIT, the fat loss won't be any different. Then if you bring up biological nuances you'd realize the body doesn't work so black or white as you suggested. There's a constant flux of energy stores, both ways, and it's the net energy expenditure & intake that would determine the net gain or loss

Quote (cloudkicker @ Dec 9 2014 09:35am)
Nah b. The differences between ct and hiit are pretty negligible in terms of fat loss. Yes while performing the exercise the RER values indicate a greater proportion of energy expended from fat at lower intensities but you have to consider o2 debt of higher intensity exercise, similar mitochondrial biogenesis, greater propensity for anabolism in hiit etc etc. I know you may have been spoon fed this idea that you ONLY burn fat by walking and you ONLY burn carbs by sprinting in some exercise science class but it's really not that simple and the benefits of both forms of exercise involve fat oxidation as well as aerobic improvement


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Dec 10 2014 11:31pm
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Anyone can get ahold of anything,  it's not hard
And the sides of DNP are the most shit things ever,  worse then clen(which Iv done) 

Yoh +alb are my go to,  minimal sides,  half legal, and fasted Cardio is a good after feeling


No lol. Stop

Saying anyone can get ahold of dnp lol good one

I'm not recommending it to a noob seriously but it's definitely a very potent fast burner.
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Dec 10 2014 11:41pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Dec 11 2014 02:31am)
No lol. Stop

Saying anyone can get ahold of dnp lol good one

I'm not recommending it to a noob seriously but it's definitely a very potent fast burner.


This is one of those moments where your youth is showing.

dnp isn't some exclusive club, get over it

I live on a border town and been around shady people, the only shit hard to find is stuff that is rare and grew from some random ass country

A jsper used dnp and he said it wasent difficult to get, I know at least 3 people who sell it

This post was edited by Zark on Dec 10 2014 11:41pm
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Dec 11 2014 12:17am
lol @ any drug being hard to get

i don't even use shit and know how to get my hands on anything out there lmao
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