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Nov 27 2014 10:12am
Quote (Alpha @ Nov 27 2014 03:58pm)
I don't justify the killing of a 12 year old and maybe the officer could have handled it differently, but in reality if that was a real gun and he had shot/killed 2 or 3 people while the officer is trying to setup a sniper or whatever it may be I guarantee you'd have people asking "omg why didn't you just shoot him, now 3 other people are dead. omg these cops are so inept and it's his fault, etc" cops are just trying to do their job to protect you, human error will always be there. Lastly, that "Kid" could have easily used the fake gun to rob a store or people on the street as well as use it as a means to rape a woman regardless if it was fake...so that's another thing to think about...


I think you're way overestimating the difficulty for cops to contain a situation. Why do we live in a country of fear and what ifs? We can't justify this situation with what could have happened. The cops didn't even give the kid a chance. It wasn't like there was some big stand off or something. The cop just pulled up, hopped out and shot the kid...No one was in immediate danger, and even if they were, the cop should have still taken more time to assess the situation.

When there is a mass shooting, we don't question where the cops were or their actions. We don't blame them, we blame the shooter, the person that took lives.

Quote (AemKei @ Nov 27 2014 03:46pm)
to be fair, many other countries have much stricter gun laws where its extremely unlikely that somebody runs around with a weapon.


This is true, but it still happens, and cops are still more humane.
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Nov 27 2014 10:21am
ITT: left wing liberal douchebags who wouldn't give this issue a second look if the kid were not black or the cop was the one ending up being shot.

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Nov 27 2014 10:55am
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ITT: left wing liberal douchebags who wouldn't give this issue a second look if the kid were not black or the cop was the one ending up being shot.


lol this is what I was thinking.

What if the police officer did take his "time" and he was wrong, the gun was real and he died. Well then we probably wouldn't even know about it right now.
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Nov 27 2014 11:11am
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ITT: left wing liberal douchebags who wouldn't give this issue a second look if the kid were not black or the cop was the one ending up being shot.


I didn't even know the kid was black, and if the cop was the one shot it wouldn't be the same story... when you decide to become a cop, you realize you're putting your life on the line to protect the public every day.

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lol this is what I was thinking.

What if the police officer did take his "time" and he was wrong, the gun was real and he died. Well then we probably wouldn't even know about it right now.


what is with all of these what if's? Yes, things can happen, but we don't shoot every person that has the capacity to take another life, the cop didn't even give him a chance.
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I didn't even know the kid was black, and if the cop was the one shot it wouldn't be the same story... when you decide to become a cop, you realize you're putting your life on the line to protect the public every day.



what is with all of these what if's? Yes, things can happen, but we don't shoot every person that has the capacity to take another life, the cop didn't even give him a chance.


What do you means what of these what ifs? Aren't u the one bringing them with the "what if" the cops took more time to assess things? Well more cops would be dead is your answer.
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Nov 27 2014 01:47pm
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What do you means what of these what ifs? Aren't u the one bringing them with the "what if" the cops took more time to assess things? Well more cops would be dead is your answer.


No, I'm saying that there is a better alternative to what the cop did. I'm not trying to guess what could have happened, i'm saying what should have happened and what should happen in the future.
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Quote (Afficionado @ Nov 27 2014 07:11pm)
I didn't even know the kid was black, and if the cop was the one shot it wouldn't be the same story... when you decide to become a cop, you realize you're putting your life on the line to protect the public every day.



what is with all of these what if's? Yes, things can happen, but we don't shoot every person that has the capacity to take another life, the cop didn't even give him a chance.


Any law enforcement officer needs to operate in the line of duty and under the circumstances he/she was given. Sensing immediate danger, even if turned out false, is enough justification to act upon self preservation. 12 years of age might shock you, but there are 6 year old minorities who have already shot at armed forces and ran towards them with molotovs and bomb straps before.
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Nov 27 2014 02:22pm
Quote (Lightman @ Nov 27 2014 08:14pm)
Any law enforcement officer needs to operate in the line of duty and under the circumstances he/she was given. Sensing immediate danger, even if turned out false, is enough justification to act upon self preservation. 12 years of age might shock you, but there are 6 year old minorities who have already shot at armed forces and ran towards them with molotovs and bomb straps before.


Maybe in Afghanistan, that isn't a common occurrence here though.

It isn't even the age that is the biggest factor for me. It's the fact he just stepped out of the car and immediately shot him. Doesn't seem like a safe cop to me.
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Nov 27 2014 02:44pm
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody here but not all police academies have access to such features.


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rather ignorant to think every police academy has access to more than the standard shit

[edit] especially when this nation's economy has been complete shit and every year the police forces are losing funding (at least here in MI)

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Nov 27 2014 02:57pm
I think that Ethan in this case you have no idea of the stress involved in a situation like this. The cop said three times while in the vehicle, and getting out to drop the fun and raise hands... It wasn't done. The cop took the next logical corse of action when a danger doesn't de-escalate... You take the target out. You are thinking far too passively along the lines of "protecting the public" and acting as if the boy was the pubic. At this particular time he was not the public, but the threat that the police were trained to protect the public from. You have two seconds to handle a situation like that, and he acted properly given what information he was told. Do I say that all situations are handled properly? No.. Do I think this one was? Yes. Simply put, he did his job, and there will always be someone complaining against that. You have all the time in the world to think of other ways around what happened, after the fact, and not faced with a possible gun being pointed in your direction. If you are ever placed in a situation like that, I think you will actually change your stance on that
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