some1 wants roids

smoll testie

big bicep

Lol there are people who are way weaker and way smaller than I am who have taken some serious shit.

Don't mind Lightman. While I do agree that steroids shouldn't be used until you've pretty much hit your genetic potential, it doesn't mean you can't use them early. If you want immediate gratification, then there's your solution.

If I'm not mistaken (I formerly read about juice all the time, just for the sake of reading), different kinds have different results. Your gains will never entirely disappear unless you just stop lifting for an extremely prolonged period of time. Remember, you're putting muscle on. The muscle won't just vanish out of nowhere. Please keep in mind that this is dumbed down to the extreme. I'm not going to go on with some scientific jargon to confuse the shit out of everybody, it's pointless.

Please, if you do take 'roids then make sure you PCT properly. It's the most important part of taking them. It helps retain as much as possible, keep the gyno away, and pretty much any negative side-effect that comes with it. Also be smart about it. Oral generally isn't as good as the alternative, not to mention that there is some literature stating it could be harmful for your liver (I think it was liver) function. I haven't delved too deep into that, though it's something to research before you do it.

Ultimately, you should go and read everything you can about it. Read about the people who say it's bad, read the people who say it doesn't have negative side-effects, read everything. Make yourself a skeptic. No matter how knowledgeable you think anybody on here is, it's a big decision to be making. In my opinion, PCT is the most important part. Make sure you have it all planned out to the T before doing it.

In short, I agree with Lightman that using your trump card at the starting is a waste, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT if you're not trying to get to an elite level then it's irrelevant.

You have them confused with NFL players.

And that's a perfect fucking reason to use them now.
Lmfao

Who said I'm going to use them?


I made this thread to discuss the effects of steroids (gains) years after a couple of cycles

This post was edited by MGS4BestGameEverMade on Nov 21 2014 12:00pm

I've already read pretty much everything there is to read. Not to many roid forum threads discuss the effect of steroids in the following years, but rather the effects they give you there and then (or the immediate future)

Take a look at some of Rich Piana's videos on YT

Yeah I follow that guy. Great vids and huge respect for him as he's actually open and honest about his steroid usage.

The story of insulin scares the shit out of me though

Well, there's a couple of mechanisms by which I can see lasting augmented muscle building effects.
One is simply due to an increased number of myonuclei due to the amplified satellite cell proliferation and induction during use. There's no reason those extra myonuclei should go anywhere assuming the impetus for them to remain, remains aka lifting.

Second would be the motoneuron influence. Test is actually pretty specific in its action in terms of helping motoneurons but not other types usually. It increases the size of motoneurons and stimulates dendrite and axonal outgrowth too. Also very neuroprotective for them as well via causing expression of various neurotrophic factors there (BDNF, CNTF). There's no reason an augmented motoneuron efficacy should leave during cessation.