Quote (ThomasPaine @ 8 Feb 2013 20:46)

Yeah, and they also have trained for 10+ years, 5-6 days a week. Not a valid model..

Quote (PlaaD @ Feb 8 2013 05:14pm)

More like 6-7days a week with 2 workouts per day.

But it's still the same thing, they rarely do the eccentric part and still develop pretty much musclemass.

Quote (45sz @ 8 Feb 2013 22:24)

Also on a shit load of drugs

Just sayin

Quote (PlaaD @ Feb 8 2013 05:30pm)

Yeah, breakfast of champions; dianabol & hgh

Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ Feb 8 2013 03:18pm)

Actually, rounding of the upperback forces you to have a strong upperback. Without a strong upperback, you won't be able to lockout (rounded upperback forces you to pull the scaps back at the top of the lift).

As for the reps, I thought that was common knowledge. That's actually why I giggle when most people say they do X lbs for X amount of reps. Touch and go is a completely different ball game than resetting is.

The eccentric on a deadlift is pretty much useless, when it comes to strength training. A large amount of injuries actually result from the eccentric portion.

Quote (ThomasPaine @ Feb 8 2013 06:24pm)

Locking out in the upper part of the RoM requires no strength lol

Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ Feb 8 2013 05:27pm)

It requires back strength to lock out, assuming that you're rounding at the thoracic. Read it in context, dammit. (First line of the post you quoted)

A deadlift isn't completed until the shoulders are brought back, if you weren't aware. That's why people hitch, because they can't lockout.

Quote (ThomasPaine @ Feb 8 2013 06:31pm)

It takes much more strength to left the bar up with the shoulderblades pinched from the beginning. I personally don't load the bar with more weight than I can dead lift with that form from the beginning.

Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ Feb 8 2013 05:34pm)

That comes down completely to preference, but as you may notice, the majority of the best DLers round at the thoracic.

Quote (ThomasPaine @ Feb 8 2013 06:36pm)

Because they're trying to pull as much as possible, not to train their back with that attempt. Obviously, the upper back won't be working isometrically if you let the upper back round, but it will allow you to pull more.