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Mar 18 2016 05:29pm
Quote (spt_94 @ Mar 18 2016 02:17pm)
Yeah currently I have been eating close to 2,000-2,100 calories and between 170 - 200 g of protein. That's the past 3 days though.

So this routine is 7 days / week. What happens if I can't make it to the gym one day? Like yesterday my gym was closed for some reason so I didn't get to do Legs/Shoulders.

Do I do legs/shoulders today or continue onto the next day today?

edit: btw I appreciate all the help you have provided over the past few weeks.



The cutting routine is 6 days a week, not 7. If you skip a day in the middle, just pick up where you left off the next day.

No problem, good luck!
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Mar 18 2016 05:39pm
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raynor, im scared....

got MRI report back finally, had MRI 2 weeks ago
my shoulder thats been in pain for over 2 years now, and the pain finally got bad enough around 6 or 7 months ago to where i had to stop lifting

i posted in this thread a bit ago about it

MRI report says
small intraosseous cryst within the posterior aspect of the humeral head
and minimal supraspinatus tendinopathy


any chance its cancerous? any chance physical therapy can be used to treat it and the cyst would disappear?
what does the 2nd part about "minimal supraspinatus tendinopathy" mean?

report says " the supraspinatus tendon shows minimal increased signal within the distal fibers compativle with tendinopathy"

and what does this mean? "the anterior inferior labrum is slightly ill-defined showing intermediate signal. no areas of fluid signal intensity are seen."

that mean the labrum is slightly damaged? and not enough signal? no clue what it means :unsure:


Thank you!



First of all, intraosseous cysts are fairly normal in middle aged people just from daily activity generating small amounts of trauma/inflammation to the joint areas. In younger people it's usually a sign of a trauma/injury to the area. They are normally not cancerous or have any role in cancer as a whole.

secondly,the tendon of the supraspinatus muscle is showing inflammation and/or enlargement. In this case, it's most likely inflamed which is to be expected.


Without reviewing all of your medical records as well as the MRI results directly, I can say that it sounds fairly normal for a shoulder injury. The cyst is usually a result of the injury, and the tendinopathy is usually either a cause or further result of injury to the shoulder.


Signal intensity refers to the signal from the MRI machine. Air and bone give very low signal, whereas fat and marrow give very high signal. Saying intermediate signal simply means it's in btween which is to be expected. Furthermore, no areas of fluid intensity is a GOOD thing. Excess fluid discovered in the shoulder would show signs of immediate traumatic injury and/or acute disease (of varying types).


Please see your orthopedist and discuss your results in person. HOWEVER, based on what you've told me, it appears that you have the signs of a per-existing injury, and nothing more.
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Mar 18 2016 06:28pm
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First of all, intraosseous cysts are fairly normal in middle aged people just from daily activity generating small amounts of trauma/inflammation to the joint areas. In younger people it's usually a sign of a trauma/injury to the area. They are normally not cancerous or have any role in cancer as a whole.

secondly,the tendon of the supraspinatus muscle is showing inflammation and/or enlargement. In this case, it's most likely inflamed which is to be expected.


Without reviewing all of your medical records as well as the MRI results directly, I can say that it sounds fairly normal for a shoulder injury. The cyst is usually a result of the injury, and the tendinopathy is usually either a cause or further result of injury to the shoulder.


Signal intensity refers to the signal from the MRI machine. Air and bone give very low signal, whereas fat and marrow give very high signal. Saying intermediate signal simply means it's in btween which is to be expected. Furthermore, no areas of fluid intensity is a GOOD thing. Excess fluid discovered in the shoulder would show signs of immediate traumatic injury and/or acute disease (of varying types).


Please see your orthopedist and discuss your results in person. HOWEVER, based on what you've told me, it appears that you have the signs of a per-existing injury, and nothing more.


wow thanks for that awesome indepth explaination. so its not as serious as i thought?
i am in my mid 20's and yes i used to lift weights often and am almost positive its an injury from weight lifting.

can the cyst go away on its own? i thought the cyst was probably causing the tendon to be injured? im wondering if the pain im constantly feeling is from the cyst or the tendinopathy? or both? im wondering which of the two is a more serious issue?

cause i think physical therapy should help the tendinopathy. but the cyst prob needs surgery? or will leave on its own over time? or some other less invasive procedure where i wont need to be put under any anesthesia?

hopefully this can be resolved without surgery. i think i read something that can be injected that lowers the production of some chemical that would allow the cyst to be reabsorbed back into the bone and leave. i hope....

This post was edited by noob_whacker on Mar 18 2016 06:38pm
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Took 6 months off of gym due to personal issues, plan to get back in this week, always lifted for aesthetics, gained strength along the way, what's the best plan of action to get back into the rhythm of things? Should I aim for strength until I build some back up? Appreciate any help.
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Any thoughts on DNP?
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Quote (noob_whacker @ Mar 18 2016 08:28pm)
wow thanks for that awesome indepth explaination. so its not as serious as i thought?
i am in my mid 20's and yes i used to lift weights often and am almost positive its an injury from weight lifting.

can the cyst go away on its own? i thought the cyst was probably causing the tendon to be injured? im wondering if the pain im constantly feeling is from the cyst or the tendinopathy? or both? im wondering which of the two is a more serious issue?

cause i think physical therapy should help the tendinopathy. but the cyst prob needs surgery? or will leave on its own over time? or some other less invasive procedure where i wont need to be put under any anesthesia?

hopefully this can be resolved without surgery. i think i read something that can be injected that lowers the production of some chemical that would allow the cyst to be reabsorbed back into the bone and leave. i hope....


1. Most likely the cyst will remain dormant (not growing or shrinking) - however, it can go away on its own under ideal circumstances.

2. Furthermore the pain is most likely caused by tendonitis through hyperextension of the tendons in the shoulder. Most likely the injury never healed properly, and good physical therapy is required to improve the strength and range of motion.

3. Cyst doesn't need surgery - it can be left alone without issue. Furthermore, there are medications that can be introduced to the region to assist with the cyst being shrunken and/or absorbed.
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Took 6 months off of gym due to personal issues, plan to get back in this week, always lifted for aesthetics, gained strength along the way, what's the best plan of action to get back into the rhythm of things? Should I aim for strength until I build some back up? Appreciate any help.



Yes. I'd start off with something like this:


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=379997654
4 day upper/lower split for beginners or maintenance



Run that for at least 4-6 weeks to get back into the swing of things. After that, you can either jump into 5x5/3x5 for strength or hypertrophy for size/aesthetics.
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Quote (GeneralBosse @ Mar 19 2016 05:55pm)
Any thoughts on DNP?


If you are referring to Dinitrophenol, this is an illegal steroidal drug and can not be discussed on JSP.
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Mar 19 2016 09:08pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Mar 19 2016 09:52pm)
1. Most likely the cyst will remain dormant (not growing or shrinking) - however, it can go away on its own under ideal circumstances.

2. Furthermore the pain is most likely caused by tendonitis through hyperextension of the tendons in the shoulder. Most likely the injury never healed properly, and good physical therapy is required to improve the strength and range of motion.

3. Cyst doesn't need surgery - it can be left alone without issue. Furthermore, there are medications that can be introduced to the region to assist with the cyst being shrunken and/or absorbed.


thanks. thats good to hear. id like to avoid surgery.
i know this may be hard to answer, but do you have any idea what the time line might be for how long physical therapy would be needed?

and i tried looking online for treatments for the bone cyst. and it seems they all say surgery? what type of non surgical methods are there? and i read something about those injections of a chemical that promote the shrinking of the cyst so its reabsorbed by the bone? but even doing this seems like you would need general anesthesia and long recovery time from a needle penetrating the tendons and bone?

is the bone cyst considered a "unicameral" cyst? or something else? is it possible its an "Aneurysmal" bone cyst?

thanks again!

edit: this seems promising ( but it says the cysts can be recurring, does this mean without this type of treatment or with it? )
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568026

and this:
http://www.bjj.boneandjoint.org.uk/content/jbjsbr/84-B/3/407.full.pdf

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Mar 20 2016 01:30pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Mar 18 2016 06:29pm)
The cutting routine is 6 days a week, not 7. If you skip a day in the middle, just pick up where you left off the next day.

No problem, good luck!


For this cutting routine would it be beneficial at all to go: on 2 days, off 1 day, on 2 days, off 1 day, on 2 days, etc - rather than just 6 days / week?
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