so SKC, everyone is arguing with me saying soymilk= drink as much as you want estrogen increase wont be noticeable, can you please let them know some truth

That is pure BULLSHIT.


Avoid Soy at all costs. ANY EXTRA ESTROGEN IS TOO MUCH. Any man concerned with his testosterone production will definitely be thankful for eliminating soy from their diet.

Yes, trace amounts of soy wont do anything to you...but if you take in any considerable amount...relatively frequently...it will definitely hinder your progress and accelerate estrogen production in your body.

So guys who dont eat meat and eat alot of soy may act more like a "pussy"?

Lol i mean like eating soy 3x a day with 2x soy snacks


kkk ty

This post was edited by piller on Aug 14 2009 08:41pm

not necessarily....

but physical "gyno" effects would begin.

1. Lack of testosterone

2. Moodiness possible

3. Swollen/puffy nipples

4. fatty breast tissue

5. smaller testicles

6. gradually reduced sperm count

7. less ability to produce new lean muscle tissue

what is your opinion on zinc loss through sex and masturbation. I heard zinc is important for testosterone levels and that it would be a good idea to supplement with zinc if you are having lots of sex

i had puffy nipples and they have been going away since i stopped drinking soymilk
also i last got my levels tested while i was still drinking soy and my testosterone was low for my age
havnt got it checked again yet but i plan to in december going to see if it has gotten much better

thats is what ZMA is for and a good Multi.

Get NOW! Adam and take 1 pill 2x a day for ur multi

and get NOW! ZMA and take 3 pills before bed.

glad you got rid of the soy.

you also need to be taking a test booster to recover from the effects if possible. NO PH's though, that might accelerate gyno in an already mildy estrogenic environment.

try Novadex XT by gaspari...expensive but pretty good for your purposes.

what about just tribulus or taking trib+nova, i just have heard from freinds they took novadex xt and got almost no effects from it, gains, phsycial, or mental

i do think i need to get on a test booster though after seeing my last numbers(my testosterone was around 430-480)

This post was edited by bones0187 on Aug 14 2009 11:58pm

how does someone know if they have gynecomastia or pseudogynecomastia (fake gyno - with only fat deposits) ?