I don't feed trolls

Is there some way I can work on my hips? Idk what the issue is, but it's uncomfortable to squat, even bodyweight, and sumo deadlifts are uncomfortable as well.

Idk if there's specific stretches I should be doing, or certain exercises to build something up?

Please explain the discomfort, the severity, and how often you experience it (only during squats? with how much weight? just bodyweight also? etc)

I am sorry I gave the impression that I am trolling. I am not.

I am looking for other good preworkouts that are a bit healthier than Jack3d. Wot would u suggest? Please not banana -.-

if you like the jack3d feeling, look into buying bulk ingredients; to save money, and to improve the dosings/stimulant feels

Caffeine 200 mg Pills from amazon

Beta Alanine bulk powder from amazon (5g doses recommended) - Which is the head tingly feeling you get from the jack3d

Bulk ON Creatine (5g doses recommended) from bodybuilding

Bulk Geranamine powder (25-50mg depending how tolerant you are) online somewhere which is the 1,3dimeth in the jack3d

yeh i love the feels man

not sure if that will make it any healthier tho

It wont make it healthier , but it wont do significant harm either.

these dosages are just based off of scientific articles I found on the ncbi database proven to be most effective in terms of fitness related things before falling off at higher dosages

It's like a sharp pain through the hips, almost like they are being pulled out or something. I also have the sharp pain in my knees sometimes.

I feel it in Lunges, Squats, Sumo DL, even just squating down to pick up something off the ground sometimes. It's only started happening post back surgery, when I was off my feet laying in bed for over a year. Idk if muscles wore down around those major joints or what..

Pain is usually a 2/10 where it's uncomfortable but I can still continue reps, but sometimes up to a 5/10 where I stop the exercises completely.

Caffeine and Beta A are the two primary causes for pre-workout euphoria, and intra-workout energy.

Arginine actually is an antagonist of caffeine, working to vasodialate, while caffeine vasoconstricts.

1,3-Dimethylamylamine HCL (AKA DMA) is a vasoconstrictor which increases blood pressure

Schisandra Chinensis (a Chinese Herb/Fruit), is primarily used for Liver Protection/Regeneration - it has absolutely no reaction with regards to energy, however it can improve your overall mood and increase euphoria.

Lastly, creatine monohydrate in such small dosage, is relatively useless.


That being said the inactive ingredients, such as artificial sweetener, are certainly not good for you, and have implied long term health effects.



As far as pre-workout supplementation...and how to achieve the same goals...


There are TWO courses of action....I will post them below in a NEW post in order to repost it later.


anyway, here they are::


Pre-Workout for PUMP (minimal energy boost)

5G Di Arginine Malate
5G Arginine AAKG
5G Citrulline Malate
10G BCAA
2G Beta Alanine


Pre-Workout for ENERGY (minimal added pump)


5G BCAA
3G Beta Alanine
200mg Caffeine
50mg B3
350mcg B12



Both of these formulas can have Stevia + flavor added to them if you'd like to mix with water. If not, you can just throw them down with juice, water, or any non-acidic beverage.

As far as where to obtain the plain powders - try BulkSupplements.com or Amazon.com


EDIT: You can also try NOW! brand, which has many of these powders for a relatively low price!

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