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Jun 19 2014 06:48pm
Is there any truth to this?

According to a study from USC School of Gerontology published in the March 2014 issue of Cell Metabolism, a moderately high protein diet in people over 65 is good for you, but in middle age leads to a two fold increase in oveall mortality and a four fold increase in getting cancer. Protein intake controls growth of IGF-1, which has been linked to developing cancer.

On the other hand as levels of IGF-1 drop, as they do over the age of 65, it leads to muscle weakness and frailty. So in younger people, high levels of IGF-1 lead to more cancer, but in the elderly it helps prevent muscle weakness, frailty, and injuries from falls. For every 10 ng/ml increase in IGF-1, for those people on a high protein diet there was a 9% increased risk of dying from cancer when compared to those people on a low protein diet. Researchers also found that just changing from a moderate to a low level protein diet reduced the risk of cancer by 21%.
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Jun 19 2014 09:11pm
Quote (Trev @ Jun 19 2014 06:50pm)
6'2"/133/%5-8 not exact sure on body fat but it's in that range (it's pretty low)

I was able to follow your original one but I felt I plateaued, and the meals were the same every day and I kinda just fell off, I failed to change it up on the meals and that was my number one struggle, also getting 5,000 calories was way too much, I felt sick and bloated all day, couldn't sleep at night, was sweating from all the calories.



For your height/weight, 5K calories is actually on the low side. DIGESTIVE ENZYMES would greatly help you absorb the nutrients from the food.

Being a hardgainer is...well...hard lol. You should be using weight gainer shakes if solid food is causing you difficulties. Try 2-3 weight gainer shakes per day, in addition to 3 regular meals. As far as the meals go, you can make pretty much anything you want, as long as each of the 3 meals has at least 1,000 calories, and at least 50-60g of protein.

Meals can be virtually anything, so great creative!
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Jun 19 2014 09:20pm
Quote (ForbiddenOath606 @ Jun 19 2014 08:48pm)
Is there any truth to this?

According to a study from USC School of Gerontology published in the March 2014 issue of Cell Metabolism, a moderately high protein diet in people over 65 is good for you, but in middle age leads to a two fold increase in oveall mortality and a four fold increase in getting cancer. Protein intake controls growth of IGF-1, which has been linked to developing cancer.

On the other hand as levels of IGF-1 drop, as they do over the age of 65, it leads to muscle weakness and frailty. So in younger people, high levels of IGF-1 lead to more cancer, but in the elderly it helps prevent muscle weakness, frailty, and injuries from falls. For every 10 ng/ml increase in IGF-1, for those people on a high protein diet there was a 9% increased risk of dying from cancer when compared to those people on a low protein diet. Researchers also found that just changing from a moderate to a low level protein diet reduced the risk of cancer by 21%.



I find that HIGHLY questionable. The actual macronutrient, protein, is NOT to blame here.

Higher cancer risks usually come with the type of diet that goes along with AN AVERAGE AMERICAN DIET with high amounts of saturated fats, low quality meats, a lot of sugar and simple carbs, etc.

If you eat high quantities of GOOD protein from GOOD clean sources, IE chicken breast (no hormones/antibiotics), and LEAN beef (no hormones/antibiotics - grass fed preferred), WHEY protein, Fresh Fish, etc. - you will NOT be putting yourself at any particular cancer risk.

The idea that increase IGF-1 leads to cancer is preposterous. If this was true, every single bodybuilder, strongman, and powerlifter, and normal person on KETO, would be RIDDLED with cancer.

I think this particular study was inherently flawed from the start. I can not find any modern research to dispel the claims, nor can I find any to produce validity in it.
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Jun 19 2014 09:26pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jun 19 2014 10:11pm)
For your height/weight, 5K calories is actually on the low side. DIGESTIVE ENZYMES would greatly help you absorb the nutrients from the food.

Being a hardgainer is...well...hard lol. You should be using weight gainer shakes if solid food is causing you difficulties. Try 2-3 weight gainer shakes per day, in addition to 3 regular meals. As far as the meals go, you can make pretty much anything you want, as long as each of the 3 meals has at least 1,000 calories, and at least 50-60g of protein.

Meals can be virtually anything, so great creative!


How healthy are we speaking here? Or just pretty much exactly what you said as long as it has protein and lots of calories? haha

And you would recommend the same weight gainer as in your topic or anything new come out that is better?

Lastly, should I be taking a weight gainer, a protein and a protein for sleeping - such as http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/cas.html ?
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Jun 20 2014 12:16am
hi i am 5-10 215lb and want to be 180 and need help with a workout plan.. i am able to go to the gym everyday that is not a problem, would like to spend alot of time running...
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Jun 20 2014 11:44am
It's me again.
A question popped today in my mind so I thought about coming here to ask you.
What is the difference between these 2 methods of Barbell row? (mostly talking about the hand positioning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT2GjY_Umpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-qgwlP0J90
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Jun 20 2014 05:27pm
How does this look Ray, I did a little changing to your meal plan and something I'd be able to do every week. The #s are rough estimates

TOTALS: 2483.3 CALS | 55.5 FATS | 200.6 CARBS | 288.7 PROTEIN
CALS|FATS|CARBS|PROTEIN

Meal 1 (539/18.6/33.9/50.5)
5 egg whites or 1 cup (133.3/0/0/26.6)
3 eggs hard boiled (234/15.9/1.8/18.9)
Peppers/Onions (25/0/5.7/.7)
Oatmeal (125/2.7/21/4.4)
Strawberries (22/0/5.4/0)

Meal 2 (434.4/4.2/48.6/45.5)
6oz chicken (186/2.1/0/38.8)
1 cup brown rice(215/1.8/44.4/5)
1 cup broccoli (33.4/.3/4.2/1.7)

Meal 3 (405/11/40/39.5)
2 slices ww bread (200/3/40/10)
Tuna can w/ mayo (165/5/0/26)
1 oz 2% cheese (40/3/0/3.5)

Meal 4 (594.9/19.7/45.7/57.2)
6 oz sirloin steak (364/18/0/46)
1/2 cup brown rice (107.5/.9/22.2/2.5)
1 cup broccoli (33.4/.3/4.2/1.7)
1/2 cup black beans (90/.5/19/7)

Meal 5 (270/1/5/60)
Protein Shake (270/1/5/60)

Meal 6
Chobani (120/0/19/12)

Before Bed (120/1/3/24)
Casein Protein (120/1/3/24)

This post was edited by Greet on Jun 20 2014 05:27pm
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Jun 21 2014 03:15pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jun 18 2014 03:50am)
Technically, you can't really improve your hand and wrist SIZE that dramatically, mostly due to skeletal structure. HOWEVER, you can increase the strength and also increase SOME of the size.


You should be doing grip strength training, which includes:

DB Side Wrist Curls
BB Front and Rear Wrist Curls
DB Twists
Hand Grippers
Cable Wrist Curls


ALSO - you can try to wrap a towel around the handles of dumbbells and barbells, forcing you to use a larger grip. This larger grip will thus effectively use many muscles throughout the hands, wrists, and forearms, continuing to increase their size and strength accordingly.


Okay but I really want my hands longer for basketball.
I've heard that bones grow bigger when you use them? I'm 18 years old and a late bloomer. Hit puberty about 2 years ago and I'm still growing in height
Could you recommend anything i could do to force the bones in my fingers to "break" and rebuild themselves?
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Jun 21 2014 05:22pm
Also.. About 2-3 months ago I noticed that the right part of my left calf would hurt whenever i jumped.
I've had 1-2 week periods where i just rested it but i noticed that as soon as i went back to training it would start to hurt again.
I've went a good 2 weeks without training and i'm planning on starting serious training (basketball training) in around 10 days.
Do you have any tips on what i should do?
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Jun 22 2014 09:09pm
Hey ray
Should I get a new scale? my current one was like a $10 one.
I don't want to blame the scale, its just that these numbers dont add up sometimes
my last 3 weigh ins:
6/8 - 196.4
6/15 - 194.4
6/22 - 190.8

todays weigh in seems like its way off, was expecting closer to 192 lbs, did not go on a huge deficit this week or anything, everything was normal
oh and yea they are all first thing in the morning after taking a piss and in boxers

This post was edited by Hboy on Jun 22 2014 09:09pm
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