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Sep 20 2013 09:15am
Hey I had a question about Mass gainers for Whey protein Isolate

I've been working out on my regime to gain some muscle and some weight.
Im not looking to become stalone or anythign crazy, but im looking for some weight
to add some bulk to my existing stature.

I am a shorter starture guy 5 feet 5 inches (165)
134 lb (61 kg)

I currently am drinking whey protein isolate after my workouts and exhausting work.

But since my goal is to gain some weight, would it be better for me to use Mass gainers (i.e. Mutant Mass)
Or should i use a combination of both? Or is it fine that i stick to protein isolate after workouts and the like and
that should do it?

I am not the type of person who would normally eat alot, as i do have a small apetite. Keeping that in mind, I am sure
that if i drank mass gainers i would have the extra callories i need to gain the weight. but also am unsure as to when i should
be taking them.

I have some people tell me they drink a few of them throughout the day, and some people telling me in the morning as well.
But, im not too sure when the best time to drink them would be.

If you can answer these questions I would truley appreciate it.
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Sep 22 2013 07:18pm
Quote (MrBobMarley @ Sep 18 2013 02:17pm)
Not sure. I was squatting two days ago, and it was fine in the gym, later in the evening it started to get a little sore.

I woke up the next morning and it was kinda painful to put pressure on it. I just RICE'd it and am now just taking it easy on it. Definitely has improved a bit.


I don't have any medical knowledge but it doesn't seem too serious. I had a similar issue on the same knee about a year ago, and I got MRI's and x-ray on it which showed nothing. It took me about a month of resting to get back 100%

This is not nearly as bad though.


In that case, I would avoid using it and continuing to RICE until the symptoms disappear. From there I would make sure to use high quality knee wraps when training legs at the gym.
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Sep 22 2013 09:25pm
Quote (Tracerz @ Sep 18 2013 05:24pm)
Now I read the first thing about the diet, Im struggling because there is a 50 pounds gap between me and the guy you gave advice to before, are the numbers still the same? Thanks :) I am 170 5-10 and 17.5% bf
This is what im comfortable with eating Im thinking of maybe switch pb for almond butter? ofc take out the oats/rice/wraps/fruits
so basically should i base everything around chicken, eggs, protien shakes, almonds, almonds butter, pb, and heavy creamer

and refuel on those good carbs on the refeed day?

Sorry my head is mealting under all of this information, it feels like a complete 180 to what i was doing thanks

8am: 4 whole eggs, 2 egg whites scrambled up
bowl of oats with a scoop of whey protien and 1 cup of almond milk
Apple diced up with tbsp of peanut butter

10am: 1/4 cup of almonds
banana
Lunch 12pm-130pm usually: 7 oz Chicken breast with 1 cup of brown and wild rice and a salad

3pm:

6pm: Protien Shake, 2 scoops and 1/4 cup of almonds

7pm: 7 oz Chicken Breast or Steak and 1 cup wild+brown rice with brocolli

9pm: Diced apples with 2 tablespoons of peanut butter

11pm: Scoop of Casein protien

About 3400 cals
200 grams of protein a day




yes the numbers are correct for your goals (with the diet I provided you)

As far as the diet you listed, it's far far far away from what you need in terms of cutting.

The reason I provided you with CKD, is because it is highly efficient in losing body fat rapidly.

Your diet here is too high in both calories and carbs.

Almond butter is also fine as a substitute for peanut butter.
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Sep 22 2013 09:28pm
Quote (Tracerz @ Sep 18 2013 06:23pm)
This is what i came up with I dont know if its right though, so confused :blink: http://i.imgur.com/AWT8mPw.png


The diet you posted is fine, but you could stand to add some green veggies (ie: celery/green peppers/broccoli/etc)

As far as the nuts go, you don't need to overdo it. I would substitute some of the nuts for something lower in carbs and higher in fat, such as bacon!!!

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Sep 22 2013 09:30pm
Quote (BeastOf_TheEast @ Sep 18 2013 06:51pm)
How high should the hips be and should ur shoulders be over the bar or ur feet when conventional deadlifting? I feel because of my short arms my torso is too close to parallel to the ground and it makes me worry about hurting my lower back. I don't feel deads in my hams or glutes too much (sore wise). how can u tell if the lift is actually straining ur lower back?


A picture is worth a thousand words. A video? A million words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8lEbeY4LM

That is the correct deadlifting technique I'd like to see people using.

If you need to make minor adjustments due to abnormally short arms, or other body mechanics issues, just make sure that you are keeping the same general technique in order to avoid incorrect form resulting in injury.

If you feel PAIN during the lift, that's a sign to immediately stop.
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Sep 22 2013 09:32pm
Quote (DEATHNEVER @ Sep 20 2013 11:15am)
Hey I had a question about Mass gainers for Whey protein Isolate

I've been working out on my regime to gain some muscle and some weight.
Im not looking to become stalone or anythign crazy, but im looking for some weight
to add some bulk to my existing stature.

I am a shorter starture guy 5 feet 5 inches (165)
134 lb (61 kg)

I currently am drinking whey protein isolate after my workouts and exhausting work.

But since my goal is to gain some weight, would it be better for me to use Mass gainers (i.e. Mutant Mass)
Or should i use a combination of both? Or is it fine that i stick to protein isolate after workouts and the like and
that should do it?

I am not the type of person who would normally eat alot, as i do have a small apetite. Keeping that in mind, I am sure
that if i drank mass gainers i would have the extra callories i need to gain the weight. but also am unsure as to when i should
be taking them.

I have some people tell me they drink a few of them throughout the day, and some people telling me in the morning as well.
But, im not too sure when the best time to drink them would be.

If you can answer these questions I would truley appreciate it.



Weight gainers are essentially a protein blend, with added digestive enzymes, a carb blend, and sometimes added fats.

If you are looking for a decent gainer, Cytogainer as well as Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex Gainer are both excellent.

As far as the rate to consume them, I would advise breakfast and post workout.

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Sep 24 2013 12:44am
Hey there. Figured I'd throw this in there.

I've been browsing, reading, watching changing my diet a bit and working out for about 4 months now. Nothing hardcore I dont want to be able to lift the back end of a car or anything. But I do want to get rid of my stubborn stomach fat once and for all.

4 months ago I weighed 229 pounds. I started to eat less fast foods/carbs/bad snacks etc and I'm doing simple workouts in my home. Pushups, situps, that kind of thing.

Well, four months later I stepped on the scale and I weighed 198 pounds. But I have a few problems.

1) That stomach fat is still there. My arms, my chest, and my shoulders have all bulked up, but it doesnt look like I've lost a single bit of that baby fat [my stomach muscles have gotten harder though underneath]. Should I be concerned about this at all? Is the weight I've been losing ALL water or has it been taking.. something else too? And shouldent I have not lost too much weight if I'm gaining a little mass?

2) I can't really branch out what I'm doing too much. I've been looking everywhere and my knowledge of exactly "how" to exercise is slim. And unfortunately a gym membership, insanity workout cd set, and the like are currently out of my price range. Also, the space I have to workout is very small. I do however have a small set of barbells that are like 10 and 20 pounds ive been using those and they are light to me now.

Your a boss for doing this for complete strangers ya know ^_^
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Sep 24 2013 10:59am
i pooped this morning and it was completely green. otherwise it seemed normal

the only change to my diet was an unsweetened drink mix similar to kool aid but kroger brand. ingredients:

Citric acid, calcium phosphate, artificial flavour, red 40, ascorbic acid

i mix one packet (4.81g) with 1 cup of STEVIA IN THE RAW and 2 quarts of spring water.

1) is this something i should be concerned about?
2) do you think the drink caused it? i could test it out with a few days on and a few days off to see what happens, but i won't know if it's the stevia or the drink that causes it.
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Sep 24 2013 07:12pm
I'm on dat dere



am i going to make it?
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Sep 24 2013 08:44pm
Quote (Sh00p @ Sep 24 2013 02:44am)
Hey there.  Figured I'd throw this in there.

I've been browsing, reading, watching changing my diet a bit and working out for about 4 months now.  Nothing hardcore I dont want to be able to lift the back end of a car or anything.  But I do want to get rid of my stubborn stomach fat once and for all.

4 months ago I weighed 229 pounds.  I started to eat less fast foods/carbs/bad snacks etc and I'm doing simple workouts in my home.  Pushups, situps, that kind of thing.

Well, four months later I stepped on the scale and I weighed 198 pounds.  But I have a few problems.

1)  That stomach fat is still there.  My arms, my chest, and my shoulders have all bulked up, but it doesnt look like I've lost a single bit of that baby fat [my stomach muscles have gotten harder though underneath].  Should I be concerned about this at all?  Is the weight I've been losing ALL water or has it been taking.. something else too?  And shouldent I have not lost too much weight if I'm gaining a little mass?

2)  I can't really branch out what I'm doing too much.  I've been looking everywhere and my knowledge of exactly "how" to exercise is slim.  And unfortunately a gym membership, insanity workout cd set, and the like are currently out of my price range.  Also, the space I have to workout is very small.  I do however have a small set of barbells that are like 10 and 20 pounds ive been using those and they are light to me now.

Your a boss for doing this for complete strangers ya know ^_^



Hey there.

First of all, you will need to continue to lose bodyfat in order to reduce the amount of stomach fat you have. In most men, the stomach is the last area to lose fat.

That being said, you need to continue vigorously exercising and maintaining a strict diet.

Here are some workouts you can do at home:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331731288
Bodyweight exercises

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331184643
Circuit Stations


I also highly recommend swimming and HIIT cardio (basically fast walk for 2 minutes, jog for 2 minutes, then sprint 100% max for 45 seconds - repeating it over and over).



As far as a diet goes, if you are looking to get down to the 170 lb area, which I believe would be a good goal for you, you will need 1,600 cals on NON-WORKOUT days (days when you don't do any exercise, and around 2,000 cals on workout days:

here are the two diet plans:



http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=385815537
Cutting diet for 1,600 cals (male)

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=359274061
sample cutting diet (non-keto) 2,000 cals

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