Quote (sven00100 @ Jan 25 2013 01:55am)
Hey, Raynor,
Someone was talking to me about their bodybuilding with relation to shows and stuff, and they were saying they train at 5000+ kcal/day when they are putting on muscle. I trust your opinion more than theirs, especially as their information seems to be based on a less scholarly background.
1. I was just curious if I were to ever want to do something like that, whether (if I did that) I would want to up my intake from my ~BMR+Exercise+200 (Comes out to ~3000-3500/day depending on what I do) that I am taking in presently, or if it results in too much fat gain to be beneficial.
2. I was also wondering, if there is merit to that, if the prot/carb/fat would be balanced in the same percentages, and if that would put added stress on my kidneys/other organs.
Thanks a bunch!
~Steven
First of all, you are very right to believe that their opinion is less than scholarly. Primarily because, 5,000 cals a day is a random number. The amount of calories needed to be consumed depends on MANY things including, height/weight/bmr/bf%/calories burned/sleep/etc. One person may need 10,000 cals a day, while another may need only 4,000 cals a day. There is a huge differential depending on those factors.
Now, to expound upon that idea. If you want to build mass amounts of muscle while minimizing fat gains, you need to have an EXCESSIVELY high activity level. We're talking 3-4 hours of INTENSE training per day, 6 days a week, coupled with an absurdly clean, but high calorie diet. Most people are unable to even dedicate that kind of time to training, which often requires 2 separate training sessions per day. Moreover, most bodybuilders (keyword: most), use steroids, GH, or other "performance enhancing" drugs to attain the physique that most professionals desire. Whether or not these methods are good or bad, is a matter of much argument. However, the bottom line is that steroids/GH/etc without a prescription are all illegal, and therefore I cannot discuss them on this forum.
If you want to gain a tremendous amount of mass, you would have to do the following:
Increase exercise level to pure strength training alternated with hypertrophy in Two (2) workouts per day at 2 hours each workout. Workout 1 would be pure strength for 2 muscle groups (ie: chest/back) and the second workout would be for hypertrophy for 2 smaller muscle groups (ie: bis/calves). You would have to get at least 9-10 hours of sleep per night, and eat extremely clean (ie: no excess sodium, sugar, processed foods, etc.), and keep your calories to approximately 500 calories ABOVE your BMR + raw calculated exercise.
4 hours of extremely high intensity training burns around 3,200 calories. Take your BMR and you're probably right in the area of 5,500 cals a day. Therefore you would need 6,000 calories a day on workout days, and about 3,000 calories a day on non-workout days (only once a week lol).
I would only recommend you go this path if you really have the time and mental fortitude to keep up with this rigorous schedule.
As far as protein/fat/carbs, you would want to take in approx 400g of protein per day, 625g complex carbs, and 150g fat with a 2:1 ratio of unsaturated to saturated.
This post was edited by SKCRaynor on Jan 25 2013 08:20am