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Jul 17 2009 01:26am
hey what are in your opinion the best mass building shoulder exercises? like the rest of my body has been growing, but my shoulders have been truly lacking for some reason :(
just can you help me with a good shoulder routine with the sets and reps too...i just really wanna get some bigger delts.
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Jul 17 2009 09:08am
Quote (Balla @ Fri, Jul 17 2009, 03:26am)
hey what are in your opinion the best mass building shoulder exercises? like the rest of my body has been growing, but my shoulders have been truly lacking for some reason :(
just can you help me with a good shoulder routine with the sets and reps too...i just really wanna get some bigger delts.



Seated Dumbbell Presses, Seated Dumbbell Arnold Presses, Dumbbell Front Raises, Dumbbell Lat Raises, Dumbbell Shrugs, Wide and Close Grip Dickersons - these are the best choices for building overall shoulder mass. Hit them twice a week if they are stubborn.
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Jul 17 2009 10:31am
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Thu, 16 Jul 2009, 15:53)
For linemen you are right, never cut and always bulk. Unless you have a supreme metabo - you will eventually get fat (as most linemen are). If you are okay with this - then you can do a non-stop bulking cycle. In addition you would be training legs 2-3x per week (depending on what your body can handle) (and also focusing on big power movements like explosive squats, barbell lunges, high jumps, etc, and also paying attention to key strength features like grip (wrist curls, holding heavy weights as long as you can, holding yourself on a pullup bar as long as you can, etc.), horizontal pushing (bench press, chest press, incline bench, dumbbell bench, etc). Don't neglect things like abs, shoulders or arms....but you need to keep your main focus slanted towards what I mentioned to be a successful lineman


ok i was told to get Strong hands. Im guessing the holding heavy weights for as long as i can is that? Im 6'2.5" and weight 225pounds. A pouch in the stomach(usually for lineman) but run the 40 in 5 flat. I need to get my explosion better. So you suggest jumping with weight, plyometrics, dealifts down and jump up. Anything else? Anything with speed training. And continue bulking like keep the diet i just went to but add more foods(healthy obv.) Am i on the right track? Also told to have strong lats/back/abs because of all the clubs and dirty moves the audience doesnt see.
And as far as explosive punches(if you know what these are. Of you dont ill explain) what should i do for it? Cables?

This post was edited by Pman1 on Jul 17 2009 10:34am
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Jul 17 2009 12:39pm
Sorry another question - I only have whey protein atm

When should I take it? Right now I'm just taking ~190g (I'm 154lbs) about 30 mins post workout and no other time during the day. Is it a better idea to take 90g an hour preworkout and 100g 30 min post workout or something?

Also, on my leg/ab day, should I take any protein at all? I'm trying to get more distinguished abs and my legs are naturally kinda big so I'm only trying to build strength and not enlarge them anymore. And for these leg/ab goals of only trying to make them more distinguished rather than build size, should I do more or less reps? I think I should do more reps for abs (ie. 5 sets x 15) because I'm trying to make it more lean, but less reps for legs (ie. 3x8 squats) because I'm only trying to build strength in them?
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Jul 17 2009 02:49pm
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Jul 17 2009 07:14pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Fri, Jul 17 2009, 10:08am)
Seated Dumbbell Presses, Seated Dumbbell Arnold Presses, Dumbbell Front Raises, Dumbbell Lat Raises, Dumbbell Shrugs, Wide and Close Grip Dickersons  - these are the best choices for building overall shoulder mass. Hit them twice a week if they are stubborn.


k well this is my current routine

4x8-12 reps db shoulder press seated
4 super sets of lateral and frontal raises
4x8-12 reverse flys
then the shrugs ofc

i just started this, this week so hopefully ill see results? i use alot of failure too....but what are dickersons if they're pretty much the best ill put them in my routine for damn sure.
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Jul 17 2009 08:19pm
Quote (Pman1 @ Fri, Jul 17 2009, 12:31pm)
ok i was told to get Strong hands. Im guessing the holding heavy weights for as long as i can is that?  Im 6'2.5" and weight 225pounds. A pouch in the stomach(usually for lineman) but run the 40 in 5 flat. I need to get my explosion better. So you suggest jumping with weight, plyometrics, dealifts down and jump up. Anything else? Anything with speed training. And continue bulking like keep the diet i just went to but add more foods(healthy obv.) Am i on the right track? Also told to have strong lats/back/abs because of all the clubs and dirty moves the audience doesnt see.
And as far as explosive punches(if you know what these are. Of you dont ill explain) what should i do for it? Cables?


as far as specific training for speed and skill for your position - stick to the recommended training provided by your team - I do not wish to interfere with their explicit instructions.

now as for bulking, yes, you basically take in approximately 500 cal more than you burn all from clean sources.

for explosive punches, YES - use cables with a regular handle and do as much weight as you can handle for 10-12 very hard explosive reps.
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Jul 17 2009 08:22pm
Quote (Balla @ Fri, Jul 17 2009, 09:14pm)
k well this is my current routine

4x8-12 reps db shoulder press seated
4 super sets of lateral and frontal raises
4x8-12 reverse flys
then the shrugs ofc

i just started this, this week so hopefully ill see results? i use alot of failure too....but what are dickersons if they're pretty much the best ill put them in my routine for damn sure.



dickersons are where you attach a straight bar to the cable machine and with your legs straight and back arced, you will pull down keeping your elbows and arms totally straight and pull the cable in to your body. This will put a ton of stress on the shoulders and you will start burning out BOTH the front and rear delts quickly
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Jul 17 2009 08:23pm
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Jul 17 2009 08:27pm
Hey dude,

Alright so im:

5'10
195
18

I used to work out a lot and had a good routine going etc ( i weighed about 170 at this time), then i just fell out of working out for some reason, i think its because i was busy with school.

Im looking to get down to about 160-165, and then increase my muscle some (i understand this will increase my weight), after that i would like to start to get cut.

I have a bench press with a preacher curl part, a part for leg excersies, and about 130 pounds in weights.

Now, my legs are pretty well cut, most of my fat is ofc in my stomach, and some on my pecs (boobs i guess lol)

think you could lay me out a diet plan and an excercise plan, then if that worjks ill hook you up with some nice FG !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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