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Oct 31 2012 11:49pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Nov 1 2012 02:23am)
Here are the problems with your post.

1. Argument.
2. Specious Reasoning based on selective studies.
3. Not thoroughly thought-out or researched.


Here are the solutions.

1. Try to ask questions in a fashion that does not make you come across as being pompous and antagonistic.
2. Do some more research and find counter-claims and other studies and then start drawing your own conclusions. Remember to leave these conclusions as simple hypothesis until proven correct.
3. Make sure not to let emotion, zeal, or testosterone get in the way of being civilized and educated.



If you really think that "synthetic" vitamin e causes cancer, or in your words "ups the risk" of cancer, you are unfortunately mistaken. Alpha Tocopherols are not nearly as beneficial as Delta or Gamma Tocopherols - this is true. However, insufficient levels of vitamin E, regardless of mixed tocopherol profile, has been shown to be deleterious to health across the board. In a perfect world, it would be best to have a mixed tocopherol blend with 45/45/10 in order of D/G/A.

With regard to vitamins in general, it is obvious that one must have a balanced vitamin profile in order to maintain optimal health. Too much of one vitamin and not enough of another, is certainly not beneficial to the user, and in some cases can be harmful.

There are exceptions to this, such as in the case of vitamin C, which can often be superdosed with virtually no negative effect, regardless of supporting micronutrients.


Lastly, on the topic of studies...


You can craft a study to go any direction you'd like. If you study the "right" or "wrong" ground of people, you can achieve a different reaction based upon sampling, pre-instruction, geographical concerns, etc. Furthermore, other factors are rarely examined.

Example:

5,000 men are sampled, 2,500 receive a placebo and 2,500 receive vitamin E (alpha tocopherol only)

The 2,500 with the placebo somehow contract 16% more lung cancer, but 33% less prostate cancer.

The 2,500 with the vitamin E, contract 16% less lung cancer, and 33% more prostate cancer.

Thus, Vitamin E must increase prostate cancer and decrease lung cancer, right? Wrong.


Fluctuations with sampling patterns is not uncommon. Furthermore, pre-instruction regarding what the study is in regards to can affect subjects in unknown ways. Then there is the concern of what OTHER ingredients went into these pills. Did we study the other ingredients? Is the cellulose from a good source? Is there a potential that the batch of placebos was tainted with small amounts of arsenic?

This is how technical and absurd the process can become when conducting research.



So before you become high-and-mighty, take some time to use your brain, and think.


Nothing in my post could have come across as pompous or disrespectful or hateful.

I have reported your post though, as it was directly hateful.


The fact is that supplementing with only the alpha tocopherol form of Vitamin E (which is the only form of vitamin E in NOW Adam) has the chance of displacing or depleting plasma gamma tocopherol levels.

This is the risk of increasing cancer.

This can be avoided by not fucking suggesting synthetic multivitamins at all, or at least suggesting a multivitamin with the ENTIRE spectrum of Vitamin E.

A 10,456 male study by John Hopkins confirmed the importance of having high levels of gamma tocopherol.
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Nov 1 2012 12:48am
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Oct 31 2012 07:29pm)
Definitely

I would remove the skim milk all together and substitute with a 40g whey protein shake mixed with water.

Try Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex Natural or NOW! Whey Isolate.


Best time to take it?
and can i mix it in with my milk? I love milk
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Nov 1 2012 06:59am
Quote (xGeArz @ Nov 1 2012 01:49am)
Nothing in my post could have come across as pompous or disrespectful or hateful.

I have reported your post though, as it was directly hateful.


The fact is that supplementing with only the alpha tocopherol form of Vitamin E (which is the only form of vitamin E in NOW Adam) has the chance of displacing or depleting plasma gamma tocopherol levels.

This is the risk of increasing cancer.

This can be avoided by not fucking suggesting synthetic multivitamins at all, or at least suggesting a multivitamin with the ENTIRE spectrum of Vitamin E.

A 10,456 male study by John Hopkins confirmed the importance of having high levels of gamma tocopherol.




The bolded sections are argument. The italicized sections are pompous.


Quote (xGeArz @ Oct 31 2012 04:32pm)
I'd like to know why you keep suggesting synthetically formulated multivitamins.

Vitamin E without all the supporting tocopherols has been shown to up the chance for certain forms of cancer.

Synthetic Vitamin A has been shown to up the chance of lung cancer.

More and more research keeps coming out suggesting that isolated synthetic vitamins do NOT function the same as what is found in nature with all the necessary counterparts.




Lastly, you have been previously warned numerous times about posting in this thread. You only post argument and attempt to discredit me. Your sole purpose is to cause conflict in this sticky. This is your last warning. You are not welcome to post here.

Continue to do research on your topic.
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Nov 1 2012 07:00am
Quote (Shekkie @ Nov 1 2012 02:48am)
Best time to take it?
and can i mix it in with my milk? I love milk



You can, although it's a lot of extra calories and the milk is slow digesting.

The best time for shake(s) is morning, post workout, and pre-bedtime.
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Nov 1 2012 07:01am
Quote (TempoONE @ Oct 31 2012 10:49pm)
what about doing hypertrophy first, and then cut?


Also, on a different note, I'm currently already doing db shoulder press, and i was saving the OHP/military press for when i start hypertrophy.  Does it make sense if I do it now? Should they be on the same day or different day?



You would see better results if you cut first, assuming you have 15% bf or greater.

You can definitely do it now. There is no reason to avoid an exercise and "save it for later" so to speak.

You can train it now, get cutting out of the way for around 4-12 weeks (depending on how much you need), and then take 1-2 weeks off, then start up hypertrophy with a vengeance.
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Nov 1 2012 03:14pm
Hey Raynor


Something is wrong with me! Not really but.

My chest is sore! lol.. I hit chest two days ago now. That would be fine, but my chest hasn't been sore in the past year.

My muscles usually feel a bit sore the next day, but for some reason my chest NEVER gets sore. Now all of a sudden it's sore, and its been so for 2 days lol.

I started a new mass building program about a month ago, and this is my 4th week on it.

This post was edited by MrBobMarley on Nov 1 2012 03:20pm
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Nov 1 2012 05:47pm
Quote (MrBobMarley @ Nov 1 2012 05:14pm)
Hey Raynor


Something is wrong with me! Not really but.

My chest is sore! lol.. I hit chest two days ago now. That would be fine, but my chest hasn't been sore in the past year.

My muscles usually feel a bit sore the next day, but for some reason my chest NEVER gets sore. Now all of a sudden it's sore, and its been so for 2 days lol.

I started a new mass building program about a month ago, and this is my 4th week on it.



Perhaps you had an unusually good workout. Also there is a possibility that you managed to cause deeper microtears than usual.

Whatever you did, it's probably a good thing. The question is, just soreness? Or is there pain?
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Nov 1 2012 06:34pm
I've had a pain behind me left knee towards the outside left/backside of it.

Not really sure what it is, it's not debilitating, it throbs whenever i bend my knee (like putting pants on or twisting my leg inwards so that it's parrallel to my body)

I can still squat, it's really just rotating the knee that's bothering me, mostly when stretching.

Can't do ham curls and leg extensions without pain though.

Any thought?
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Nov 1 2012 07:15pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Nov 1 2012 11:47pm)
Perhaps you had an unusually good workout. Also there is a possibility that you managed to cause deeper microtears than usual.

Whatever you did, it's probably a good thing. The question is, just soreness? Or is there pain?


Oh just soreness, good soreness for sure.

What are some possible causes of deeper microtear

I've really been trying to slowly decline on all of my workouts moreoften
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Nov 1 2012 08:22pm
Quote (lopelurag @ Nov 1 2012 08:34pm)
I've had a pain behind me left knee towards the outside left/backside of it.

Not really sure what it is, it's not debilitating, it throbs whenever i bend my knee (like putting pants on or twisting my leg inwards so that it's parrallel to my body)

I can still squat, it's really just rotating the knee that's bothering me, mostly when stretching.

Can't do ham curls and leg extensions without pain though.

Any thought?



This may be Iliotibial band syndrome.

The solutions are as follows:


1. Rest/Ice/Compression/Elevation (RICE)
2. Anti-inflammatories as needed
3. Stretching, including foam roller stretches (make sure not to OVERSTRETCH)
4. Chiropractic treatment, including massage and even ultrasound therapy
5. Compression Wraps


Hope this helps!
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