Quote (45sz @ Oct 18 2012 02:35pm)

Hey ray

- been reading alot of protein intake and am writing a paper for nutrition class on it ...

I've been reading that around 1.4.1.7g per KG bodyweight is sufficient/ plenty of protein for stength training / athletes ..this number varies depending on source but that is about  the amount recommended ...

However ,  I find it impossible to even do that .

For 170lbs and 3600 calories that would be

131 gs protein per day on the high end - that's only 524 calories

All of my carb sources  like pasta potatos etc /  fat sources like milk almonds etcs

All have protein in them --- I would have to eat like 1oz servings of meat with my meals lmao

I have already cut it down from 5oz servings of meat to 3oz . And that is multiple times per day.


I jus find it near impossible to eat only 1.7g/kg in bodyweight
To my understanding excess protein is no harm to the body but
Am I sacrificing carbs / fats with too much protein ?

Or is more protein needed when one is in such a  caloric surplus / high BMR

Quote (SKCRaynor @ Oct 18 2012 07:47pm)

Unfortunately, this is where classroom study and real life study clash.

It's unfortunately, but MOST classroom textbook study says that this utterly pathetic intake of protein is sufficient for athletes. Sure, maybe athletes from the 1920s....but modern high performance athletes? Absolutely not.

1g per pound of bodyweight is the MINIMUM for athletes, but 1.5g per pound is certainly much more like it.



This concept of lowering protein intake for more carbs is total BS and will only result in fat gain, decreased muscle gains, and increased insulin sensitivity.


Do not fall victim to the lies fed to us by FDA sponsored research. High protein intake is absolutely required for peak performance and muscle gains.

Remember, 1g/lb of bodyweight, MINIMUM.


Also, only count grams of protein that are COMPLETE, ie: from complete sources such as meats, dairy, whey, eggs. Do not count protein from vegetables/fruits/grains, as these are largely incomplete proteins.

Quote (45sz @ Oct 18 2012 08:17pm)

There Is just way tooooo much Information out there lol
And that is a good point because alot of my protein (incomplete)when added up is from fruits/ veggies / GRAINS.
The first thing I thought of if I lower my protein and up the carbs -  is I'd jus get fat lol..

Would you happen to have any interesting articles / reads on this topic ? (as i said , Writing a research paper on it )


Thanks!

Quote (carteblanche @ Oct 18 2012 08:35pm)

Also, only count grams of protein that are COMPLETE, ie: from complete sources such as meats, dairy, whey, eggs. Do not count protein from vegetables/fruits/grains, as these are largely incomplete proteins.

how do you count them if you combine them to be complete? just count the overlap? eg the minimum of all sources

example, i think whole grain bread and peanut butter combined are complete, but i could be wrong. so lets say i eat 10g of protein from the pb and 5g of protein from the bread, do i count that as 5g of protein?

Quote (SKCRaynor @ Oct 19 2012 05:58pm)

That is VERY difficult, as more USA university research is horribly biased against large protein intake because of the FDA.

I'll see what I can dig up for you.

Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jan 2 2012 04:58am)

No.

All fat runs off of the george foreman.

You MUST add olive oil and other fats directly. Whether it means just simply taking a tbsp or two of olive oil at meals and just eating it....or adding it to your food AFTER it's cooked.

KETO requires a lot of fat...if you don't get enough fat, keto won't work.

Quote (carteblanche @ Oct 20 2012 07:32pm)

I did a search for your posts with george foreman and this is the closest i could fine.

How much fat is removed via george foreman grill? of the fat, how much of it is unsaturated vs saturated?

I'm making burgers with 93% lean ground beef (14g sat fat, 18g unsat fat per pound) and i add guacamole to get extra fat. since fat runs off, i'm having a hard time figuring out how much i need. if only unsaturated fat is removed, i might as well add that back in instead of adding guacamole