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Jun 27 2009 09:12pm
Quote (eSora @ Sat, Jun 27 2009, 01:51pm)
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=32436794&f=60

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And thank you for the abs advise, it's genics, :[



For a clean bulk follow the basic rule of thumb....eat approximately 500 cal more than your body requires (including exercise and BMR...to calculate BMR google bmr calculator...and for exercise 300-500 cal / hour). Anyway, so once you figure out exactly how many cals ur body is burning in totality...you want to eat approx 500 more than that. However, because this is a clean bulk and you want to prevent fat gain...here are the next steps:

1. Eat every 2-3 hours

2. Keep simple sugar out of your diet completely except for immediately following a workout (however, I would recommend muscle milk + a banana post workout for adequate sugar).

3. Drink at least 1 gal water per day

4. Creatine Monohydrate

5. Keep sodium in check (no more than 2g....aka 2,000 mg per day...balanced with 4g potassium 2g magnesium and 2g calcium)

6. No carbs after your 5th meal or post workout meal whichever comes later.


Example diet:


meal 1 - 3 whole eggs 3 egg whites, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 banana

meal 2 - protein shake, 1/2 cup mixed nuts, 1 cup mixed fruit

meal 3 - 2 chicken breasts w/ whole grain pasta and a salad

meal 4 - Sirloin Steak, Brown Rice (or sweet potato), and broccoli

Meal 5 - Tuna Fish on top of a salad with olive oil and vinegar + sliced cheese

Meal 6 - 1 cup cottage cheese w/ mixed nuts + cinnamon to taste.


You can add another protein shake immediately after a workout with 1 whole banana or other fresh fruit in addition to the 6 meals listed above.
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Jun 27 2009 09:24pm
Please see below....I have made modifications to your original plan and BOLDED the changes.


Quote (gloryfield @ Sat, Jun 27 2009, 03:02pm)
Hi.  I have been bodybuilding for a year now.  When I began, I started with a 5 month cut, and just finished a 5 month 5x5 bulk.

Right now I'm:

6'
178 lbs
Not sure about bf but I'd guess around ~12%. 

I just started my second cut.

I have a slightly visible 4 pack, the mid vertical line isn't completely visible.  I'd love to get a 6 pack once I finish my second cut.  I'll list what I've been doing, please critique.

Monday - Arms:

Barbell Curl, 4 sets of 20, 15, 12, 10,  @ 50 lbs
Lying Triceps Extension (w/ ez-bar), 4 sets of 15, 12, 10, 10, @ 50lbs

Dumbell Curl, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10,  @ 20 lbs
Rope Pushdown, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 65 lbs

Concentration Curl, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10,  @ 20 lbs
Dumbbell Extension, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10,  @ 35 lbs

Weight Cable Ab Crunch (I stand facing the weighted cable, grab the handle and squeeze and hold above my head, and bend down)


Tuesday - Legs:

Back Squats, 4 sets of 20, 15, 12, 10, @ 130 lbs

Leg Extensions, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 90 lbs (gotta focus on the quad separation)

Leg Curl, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 90 lbs

Seated Calf Raise, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 90 lbs

Standing Calf Raise 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 90 lbs

Decline Ab Twists with pulldown bar


Wednesday - Chest:

Incline Dumbbell Press, 4 sets of 15, 12, 12, 10, @ 30 lbs

Flat Dumbbell Press, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 30 lbs

Decline Dumbbell Press, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 30 lbs

Cable Crossovers, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 29 lbs

Incline Flys, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 15 lbs

Weight Cable Ab Crunch


Thursday -  Back:

Straight Leg Deadlifts, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 130 lbs (do this on back days instead...this way you can hit hamstrings a second time during the week, but focus on building the lower back and lats during the pull...concentrate on arching your back at the top of the rep

Barbell Row, 4 sets of 15, 12, 10, 10, @ 65 lbs

Bent Over Dumbbell Row, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 45 lbs

Wide Grip Pull Down, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 72 lbs

Seated Cable Rowing, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 77 lbs

Decline Ab Twists with pulldown bar


Friday - Shoulders:

SEATED Dumbbell Press: 4 sets of 15, 12, 10, 10, @ 30 lbs (for bulking sit down and do more weight, for cutting stand up and do less weight)

Side Lateral Raise: 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 10 lbs

Rear Delt Fly, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10, @ 15 lbs

Dumbbell Shrug, 3 sets of 15, 12, 10 @ 45 lbs

Weight Cable Ab Crunch


Sometime I do 30 mins of cardio on Mon and Fri, tues/wed/thurs my legs are too tired. 
I do a sprint session on saturdays, but only for like 6 mins, 20 sec sprints followed by 40 sec walks.


On Mon-Fri:

8:30AM: Whole Milk, 1 scoop Whey Protein ISOLATE (NOW! or ON), 1 scoop Muscle Milk (Any flavor), 1 whole banana (great for potassium and pre-workout morning sugar),
Animal Pak, GNC Tri Flex (save the fish oil for real food meals...also use the products above for optimal growth)


9:30AM: 1 scoop NO-Xplode, followed by ~ 1 hr long workout

10:30AM: 2 scoops muscle milk (any flavor), 1 whole banana or other fruit, + 2.5 grams of creatine monohydrate mixed with grape juice

11:30: 1 cup of coffee, nothing added.

Noon: Meal.  Usually BROWN rice with stir fry that's heavy in meat. w/ veggies 

3PM:  Meal.  Stir fry w/ BROWN RICE heavy in meat w/ veggies.

6PM: Whole Milk, 1 scoop muscle milk, 1 scoop whey isolate, + handful of mixed nuts or almonds

8PM: Meal, sr fry tiheavy in meat w/ veggies....NO RICE THIS TIME!! (Any carbs taken in at this part of your day are going to most likely be stored as fat.)
GNC Tri Flex, ON Fish Oil


11:30 PM: 2 scoops ON Caseine, 1 scoop Whey, 2.5 grams of creatine
GNC Tri Flex, ON Fish Oil - alternatively you can sub 1 cup of cottage cheese for the 2 scoops of casein protein.

I go to bed around 12:30


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Jun 27 2009 09:26pm
Quote (gloryfield @ Sat, Jun 27 2009, 03:39pm)
Also, would you recommend BCAA?  I haven't used any because I figured I already take plenty of protein


Yes....get Optimum BCAA capsules....take 2g for every 45 mins of exercise. So for 1.5 hours at the gym do the following.

2g right before working out

2g at the 45 min mark

and 2g at the 1.5 hour mark (the end of the workout)

This prevents muscle catabolism, and supports anabolic reaction within the body.
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Jun 27 2009 09:27pm
Quote (GodLovesUgly @ Sat, Jun 27 2009, 06:53pm)
Hey what are good post and pre workout things to eat/drink and are you sure imnot trying muscles to close?


pre-workout food/beverage:

Whey protein isolate and approximately 20g simple sugars (1 banana works fine)


Post-workout food/beverage:

Whey protein isolate and approximately 20g simple sugars (1 banana works fine), 2.5g creatine mixed with grape juice, and 1 hour later its time for the post workout meal....which should be 1 lean meat, 2 servings of veggies, and a small serving of complex carbs if its late...or a full serving if its early (half a sweet potato is fine if you work out late...if its early have the whole thing)
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Jun 27 2009 10:15pm
Hey man
I have 2 questions.

First one is kinda non-related but, why did you start lifting, etc?

And my second one is, is doing squats + deads sufficient enough for ab exercises? (as in core working rather than 6 pack etc.)
because I always thought it was but I was skimming through Arnolds bodybuidling encylcopedia, and it said to do abs every day ( I know that is probably to get a 6 pack etc). But I thought abs needed a rest even though they recover rather quickly. I know its different for everyone, but I was reconsidering doing more abs workouts.

man I worded that second question poorly, lol.

E: and I was gonna do my first question via PM, but I read that you don't have too much time to read and reply to PM's, which I completely understand

This post was edited by Disciples on Jun 27 2009 10:17pm
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Quote (Disciples @ Sun, Jun 28 2009, 12:15am)
Hey man
I have 2 questions.

First one is kinda non-related but, why did you start lifting, etc?

And my second one is, is doing squats + deads sufficient enough for ab exercises? (as in core working rather than 6 pack etc.)
because I always thought it was but I was skimming through Arnolds bodybuidling encylcopedia, and it said to do abs every day ( I know that is probably to get a 6 pack etc). But I thought abs needed a rest even though they recover rather quickly. I know its different for everyone, but I was reconsidering doing more abs workouts.

man I worded that second question poorly, lol.

E: and I was gonna do my first question via PM, but I read that you don't have too much time to read and reply to PM's, which I completely understand



Hey there...

I got started with lifting at 13 years old for several reasons - 1. personal image (i used to be a fat little boy), 2. my dad used to be avid into working out, 3. I wanted to be healthy and strong


As for abs...some people respond VERY well to doing abs every day...or at least 5 days a week. Others respond very well to doing abs every other day...some respond to doing abs once or twice a week. Either way...the idea is to find what works best for you. Abs are like calves and forearms in the sense that they can be trained more often than regular muscle groups because they tend to be resistant and used to overuse because of how frequently they are used on a daily basis.

I would highly reccomend doing abs every other day...and doing them HARD....try this first and see what kind of response you get.
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Jun 28 2009 10:38am
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Sat, Jun 27 2009, 10:24pm)
Please see below....I have made modifications to your original plan and BOLDED the changes.


Thanks, But I'm actually trying to cut, not bulk. So I'm guessing I shouldn't drink whole milk.
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Jun 28 2009 01:01pm
So I'm finally in a position where I can get back to lifting and tuning my diet, the biggest problem
is that I work from 11am-7pm Tuesday-Saturday. I work out Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday at 8:30pm.
At work, I don't have the opportunity to go home to cook a solid meal, so I'm looking for assistance
coming up with a meal plan than can fit my schedule.


Any help at all would be appreciated.
1 thing to note is that I cannot stomach cottage cheese, I've tried but I can't
eat it to save my life.

I'm 5'10", currently 160lbs looking to do a clean bulk.

Thanks in advance :D
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Jun 28 2009 03:09pm
Quote (gloryfield @ Sun, Jun 28 2009, 12:38pm)
Thanks,  But I'm actually trying to cut, not bulk.  So I'm guessing I shouldn't drink whole milk.


you can use 2% skim in that case.
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Jun 28 2009 03:35pm
Quote (FireZombie @ Sun, Jun 28 2009, 03:01pm)
So I'm finally in a position where I can get back to lifting and tuning my diet, the biggest problem
is that I work from 11am-7pm Tuesday-Saturday. I work out Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday at 8:30pm.
At work, I don't have the opportunity to go home to cook a solid meal, so I'm looking for assistance
coming up with a meal plan than can fit my schedule.


Any help at all would be appreciated.
1 thing to note is that I cannot stomach cottage cheese, I've tried but I can't
eat it to save my life.

I'm 5'10", currently 160lbs looking to do a clean bulk.

Thanks in advance :D



You really have to eat every 2 hours...so try out these quick and easy snack foods for when you are at work:


1. Beef jerky (I recommend ostrim - get it on bodybuilding.com)

2. Cheese sticks

3. Mixed Nuts

4. Protein bars (stick to a bar like VPX Zero impact, Oh Yeah! Wafer Bars, or Power Crunch bars)

5. celery and peanut butter



All of these are perfect to eat throughout the day while at work. Also, if milk or protein shakes are available, you can do those as well.


As far as meals that are BEFORE and AFTER work, you should be fine to use any of the sample meals listed on the previous few pages.
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