Quote (CMBurns @ May 29 2013 03:56pm)

What pedestal? I'm not the only one who thinks the way I do.

Oak knows what he did this year. The crossfit, the strength training, the low cals, etc.

Quote (TheOak @ May 29 2013 04:08pm)

Weightloss was never more than 2lbs/week and often in the .5lb/wk range.
Protein was kept high as well as strength straining while on diet... again I might have had a 5-10% reduction in strength despite dropping 25lbs and getting into single digit bf%

Again, I'm all ears but I honestly am MORE than happy with my progress and understand the reality of natural progression.  Burnz I'm glad your client is showing good results but you really expect me to take that as any evidence or substance to base your argument on?

It is an opinion of a few members on a gaming forum, those in real life especially the show promoter and the seven + judges and 3+ natural profressional bodybuilders I talked to this past weekend all disagree with you.  They saw me on stage a year ago and are damn impressed with the package I brought this year and in fact told me to keep doing whatever I've been doing because its working!

Not saying I did things perfectly but lets be realistic here... does anyone?  The main problem I see with my past offseason was the length.  You spend certain amount of time recovering from contest prep and then have to devote enough time to prep again.

I think some of you should read this...
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html

again I did bulk to 187lbs with slow weight progression, you guys need to compare stage to stage.  I had to diet 24lbs back off and have done it more optimally than ever before.

Cheers

Quote (TheOak @ May 29 2013 09:08pm)

Weightloss was never more than 2lbs/week and often in the .5lb/wk range.
Protein was kept high as well as strength straining while on diet... again I might have had a 5-10% reduction in strength despite dropping 25lbs and getting into single digit bf%

Again, I'm all ears but I honestly am MORE than happy with my progress and understand the reality of natural progression.  Burnz I'm glad your client is showing good results but you really expect me to take that as any evidence or substance to base your argument on?

It is an opinion of a few members on a gaming forum, those in real life especially the show promoter and the seven + judges and 3+ natural profressional bodybuilders I talked to this past weekend all disagree with you.  They saw me on stage a year ago and are damn impressed with the package I brought this year and in fact told me to keep doing whatever I've been doing because its working!

Not saying I did things perfectly but lets be realistic here... does anyone?  The main problem I see with my past offseason was the length.  You spend certain amount of time recovering from contest prep and then have to devote enough time to prep again.

I think some of you should read this...
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html

again I did bulk to 187lbs with slow weight progression, you guys need to compare stage to stage.  I had to diet 24lbs back off and have done it more optimally than ever before.

Cheers

Quote (TheOak @ May 29 2013 02:08pm)

Weightloss was never more than 2lbs/week and often in the .5lb/wk range.
Protein was kept high as well as strength straining while on diet... again I might have had a 5-10% reduction in strength despite dropping 25lbs and getting into single digit bf%

Again, I'm all ears but I honestly am MORE than happy with my progress and understand the reality of natural progression.  Burnz I'm glad your client is showing good results but you really expect me to take that as any evidence or substance to base your argument on?

It is an opinion of a few members on a gaming forum, those in real life especially the show promoter and the seven + judges and 3+ natural professional bodybuilders I talked to this past weekend all disagree with you.  They saw me on stage a year ago and are damn impressed with the package I brought this year and in fact told me to keep doing whatever I've been doing because its working!

Not saying I did things perfectly but lets be realistic here... does anyone?  The main problem I see with my past offseason was the length.  You spend certain amount of time recovering from contest prep and then have to devote enough time to prep again.

I think some of you should read this...
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html

again I did bulk to 187lbs with slow weight progression, you guys need to compare stage to stage.  I had to diet 24lbs back off and have done it more optimally than ever before.

Cheers

Quote (NMU @ May 25 2013 10:35am)

secret leaked photo of oak looking swole for comp

http://i42.tinypic.com/2uxyed1.jpg

Quote (SagaBoi @ May 29 2013 06:03pm)

All I saw was

They were damn impressed with the package I brought


Lol will read article when I'm not at work but oak you really don't have to argue with us none of us are near your potential at all...

Quote (EwokHellKite @ May 29 2013 09:59pm)

still much work to go, been working arms much more than core though

http://i41.tinypic.com/a9l9ua.jpg

Quote (NMU @ May 29 2013 11:31am)

what sort of fat:muscle ratio do you get at the market? ive been getting shitty deals lately