It's a pretty accurate assumption based on the posts you've made here. It's not an insult, just an observation.

Anybody who lifts know how important a strong back is and how it translates to improvement in nearly every facet of lifting.

Most people who lift do the same lifts or similar

Desdlifts. Squats. Bench. Ohp

Or variations of them

How would you have any idea if the ohp was contributing more to your bench or vice versa

You're doing rows and deadlifrs and bench and floor press and pull-ups and ohp and squats and on and on and on

But you know that the ohp was the reason your bench went up 5 lbs

Yeah stfu

Come write why asking if ohp or bench carries over to the other better makes me a noob. Dumbshit

Oh and BTW. Answer the question. Which has better carryover

Come write it, coward. Show your knowledge

This post was edited by hoipolloi on Aug 31 2022 11:48pm

Nothing he said or my response to him had anything to do with upper back or back at all
He said asking if ohp or bench translates more to the other shows I'm a noob

And your point about previous posts is irrelevant. He didn't say previous posts

He said that specific question

So there's 2 red herrings you're dragging around that have nothing to do with anything. Fallacies.


I have a strong feeling if you asked 100 people who are moderately serious about weight training if the carry from ohp to bench is more pronounced than that of bench to ohp many of them wouldn't know. You don't even know. Lmao. And I'm sure you are at least an intermediate. So wtf are you on about

It is quite established that building a very strong squat will have a good deal of carryover to deadlift. It is not so established that desdlift will carry over to squat in the same way

Hence the question.
I don't even think any of you have answered it. Someone said they're their own lifts. Yeah no shit Sherlock. So are deadlift and squat. Doesn't mean one isn't a predictor of strength in the other

Quit bsing people

Thanks

You ask stupid questions because its the niche personality you have attempted to try to build for yourself on this forum and others.

No one is going to have the average % increase in your bench via OHP work and average increase in OHP via bench work and then determining if one or the other has more carry over to the other lift just like no one has it for squat and deadlift or any other lift because there's far to many variables at play and it would be incredibly difficult to take thousands of people as test subjects, have them all on the same diet plan, sleep plan, etc and only have them bench for X weeks test OHP. Then take another separate group of thousands of people again and test bench after doing strictly OHP For weeks. You have way too many variables to control. It makes it a stupid test to attempt.

What is common sense and well known if you have lifted more than a day is that they do have carry over to each other because there's a cross over in muscle groups and while the movement pattern is different there are similarities (hence the same muscle groups). At the end of the day though if you want to bench more, do more bench. If you want to OHP more, do more OHP. Specificity in most cases is going to be king.

Another example, I don't train OHP... My bench is probably right under 285/maybe 285 right now. I could OHP 205 for a single, because every other lift that's generally conditioned me to lift other weights will contribute to this compound lift.

There really isn't an exception to this, unless you're talking about sport specificity. If you're talking about sport specificity such as CJ, snatch, perfecting form for a meet in SBD, or lifting at an elite level, then sure you are 100% absolutely right.

And yeah, calling me an intermediate is a swipe to trying to be low, but it's probably true... There aren't any 'experts' here in lifting, those dudes don't patrol a gaming form. You're talking about people like Dave Tate, Travis Rodgers, Mike Hedlesky, Jim Wendler, etc.

Stop being a cock sucker, you asked a simple, stupid fucking question and 3 people answered it pretty accurately... Are you looking for weird metric graphed resistance determining speed/load variations compared to compound lifts? Quantitative data that is graphed out in front of your own two eyes? Or do you want to hear what the experts say? Because everything that I've translated to you was written by the experts and disseminated by me.

Don't be a cock sucker, stop asking stupid fucking questions and just lift the god damn bar. If your max was heavier than 185 on bench, I could show you how it would translate to a better OHP.

This post was edited by ozzyarmy3 on Sep 1 2022 08:50am

So u don't know , lol I won so hard

Jus stop I alrdy won