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Sep 11 2018 06:22pm
protein helps u with muscle recovery, but usually muscle growth is made via carbs/protein combo ... look at composition of any gainer with 70% of carbs and 30% of proteins

also there is protein in your pasta too - check your pasta composition, protein is almost everywhere in various amounts (that's why u can't eat without protein at all)

but lean muscle gains are not made from high calories food (like pasta you mentioned), problem with this kind of food is you gain also lot of fat from it ... for muscle gains rather eat massive amounts of lean protein, slow carb and just enough of fat (1g of fat/kg of lean body mass to help testosterone/hormones production, rest should be lot of chicken/turkey breast, eggs, dairy products like cottage cheese, skyr (icelandic pure protein dairy dessert), greek yoghurt etc. for proteins, rice or whole grains for fast carbs - if you want to slow it down, do it "al dente", lot of veggies like broccoli, green veggies for fiber and slow carbs - btw broccoli is high in protein too)

thing is muscle will not eat itself when you stress it, by training you give information to your body that you need muscles, so body preserve it ... I guess your problem is different, you can be as well overtrained, then muscles stop growth. muscle growth is made not by stress, but with recovery from the stress, it is important not only what you eat, but also when you eat it and also recovery, active recovery, plenty of sleep etc. did you know roger federer, lebron james sleep 12 hours a day? usain bolt up to 10 hours. and regarding active recovery, i found very useful for myself to do one active recovery training a week. active recovery is training when you maintain conversational pace (if u have heart rate monitor, aim for Z2/recovery zone/low aerobic) for about 30 minutes in a row. do what u like: walking, jogging, swimming, bike ... for me it is run in pace around 6min/km (5K in 30 mins helps me recover well)

so it's very complex question with not simple answer to it :)
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Sep 11 2018 06:22pm
Quote (ferf @ Sep 11 2018 08:20pm)
That's why i've been asking... I don't really have money for it lol haha
also, know of a good brand? (for when i do have money)


cant go wrong with ON i guess
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Sep 11 2018 06:27pm
Quote (devilslayer @ Sep 11 2018 08:22pm)
cant go wrong with ON i guess


https://www.amazon.com/Optimum-Nutrition-Serious-Chocolate-Weight/dp/B0015R36SK/?tag=aboutcom02verywellfit-20&ascsubtag=4158195%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C1%7C&th=1


^? Only has 8 servings :O, that's ridiculous :O
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Sep 11 2018 06:29pm
Quote (elMagico @ Sep 11 2018 08:22pm)
protein helps u with muscle recovery, but usually muscle growth is made via carbs/protein combo ... look at composition of any gainer with 70% of carbs and 30% of proteins

also there is protein in your pasta too - check your pasta composition, protein is almost everywhere in various amounts (that's why u can't eat without protein at all)

but lean muscle gains are not made from high calories food (like pasta you mentioned), problem with this kind of food is you gain also lot of fat from it ... for muscle gains rather eat massive amounts of lean protein, slow carb and just enough of fat (1g of fat/kg of lean body mass to help testosterone/hormones production, rest should be lot of chicken/turkey breast, eggs, dairy products like cottage cheese, skyr (icelandic pure protein dairy dessert), greek yoghurt etc. for proteins, rice or whole grains for fast carbs - if you want to slow it down, do it "al dente", lot of veggies like broccoli, green veggies for fiber and slow carbs - btw broccoli is high in protein too)

thing is muscle will not eat itself when you stress it, by training you give information to your body that you need muscles, so body preserve it ... I guess your problem is different, you can be as well overtrained, then muscles stop growth. muscle growth is made not by stress, but with recovery from the stress, it is important not only what you eat, but also when you eat it and also recovery, active recovery, plenty of sleep etc. did you know roger federer, lebron james sleep 12 hours a day? usain bolt up to 10 hours. and regarding active recovery, i found very useful for myself to do one active recovery training a week. active recovery is training when you maintain conversational pace (if u have heart rate monitor, aim for Z2/recovery zone/low aerobic) for about 30 minutes in a row. do what u like: walking, jogging, swimming, bike ... for me it is run in pace around 6min/km (5K in 30 mins helps me recover well)

so it's very complex question with not simple answer to it :)



Gotchya thanks, yeah i rest plenty cuz of the medication i take, so that's not a problem.... More worried about my protein intake that i'm not getting enough
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careful, you sent link to gainer, not to protein :) gainer is complex carbs+protein to increase calorie intake and one serving have easily 1000+ kcal

go for protein isolate, if you are on budget or for hydrolysate if you can afford more expensive thing. never go for concentrate, its usually low quality garbage

check this out: https://www.amazon.com/OPTIMUM-NUTRITION-STANDARD-Protein-Chocolate/dp/B000QSNYGI?crid=21RFWV4DSWD76&keywords=optimum%2Bnutrition%2Bwhey%2Bprotein&qid=1536712446&s=Health%2B%26%2BPersonal%2BCare&sprefix=optimum%2B%2Chpc%2C225&sr=1-1-catcorr-spons&ref=sr_1_1_sspa&th=1

or I like taste of Mars protein recently :) https://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/mars-100-whey-protein-powder-1-8kg

Amix is also good brand, you can't go wrong with Weider, MyProtein, MuscleTech, Scitech Nutrition, Arnold Series, BioTech USA. There is lot of options, usually protein is protein as long as its certified factory and as I mentioned, never go for concentrate. Its slow, low quality protein with lot of casein, which has benefits only when taken as night protein and u have to be sure u can digest it well. Rather go for isolate, microfiltered, hydrolysed.
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Sep 11 2018 06:49pm
Quote (elMagico @ Sep 11 2018 08:42pm)
careful, you sent link to gainer, not to protein :) gainer is complex carbs+protein to increase calorie intake and one serving have easily 1000+ kcal

go for protein isolate, if you are on budget or for hydrolysate if you can afford more expensive thing. never go for concentrate, its usually low quality garbage

check this out: https://www.amazon.com/OPTIMUM-NUTRITION-STANDARD-Protein-Chocolate/dp/B000QSNYGI?crid=21RFWV4DSWD76&keywords=optimum+nutrition+whey+protein&qid=1536712446&s=Health+&+Personal+Care&sprefix=optimum+,hpc,225&sr=1-1-catcorr-spons&ref=sr_1_1_sspa&th=1

or I like taste of Mars protein recently :) https://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/mars-100-whey-protein-powder-1-8kg

Amix is also good brand, you can't go wrong with Weider, MyProtein, MuscleTech, Scitech Nutrition, Arnold Series, BioTech USA. There is lot of options, usually protein is protein as long as its certified factory and as I mentioned, never go for concentrate. Its slow, low quality protein with lot of casein, which has benefits only when taken as night protein and u have to be sure u can digest it well. Rather go for isolate, microfiltered, hydrolysed.


Oh okay, i take it this one is safe?

https://www.amazon.com/OPTIMUM-NUTRITION-STANDARD-Protein-Chocolate/dp/B002DYIZT4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1536712445&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=ON%2Bgold%2Bstandard%2Bwhey&th=1
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Sep 11 2018 07:14pm
Quote (ferf @ 12 Sep 2018 02:49)


You can't go wrong with ON, all I mentioned have good name in athletes world for making good proteins. Only issue can be taste, that is always very specific. Rather go for tester and try it if you like it, if u can drink plenty of it (imagine there is 77 doses, so u need to stay with that taste 77 days in a row lol) and also good thing is to try digestion. Everyone has different digestion, sometimes it can make u go to toilet more often but its not issue of protein, maybe flavouring etc. So test it first if you have no experience yet.

I believe if you contact local reseller (fitness store) or importer, they will have some 35g testers, I have like 50 testers now, they always send me some new when I make purchase lol.

This post was edited by elMagico on Sep 11 2018 07:15pm
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Quote (elMagico @ Sep 11 2018 09:14pm)
You can't go wrong with ON, all I mentioned have good name in athletes world for making good proteins. Only issue can be taste, that is always very specific. Rather go for tester and try it if you like it, if u can drink plenty of it (imagine there is 77 doses, so u need to stay with that taste 77 days in a row lol) and also good thing is to try digestion. Everyone has different digestion, sometimes it can make u go to toilet more often but its not issue of protein, maybe flavouring etc. So test it first if you have no experience yet.

I believe if you contact local reseller (fitness store) or importer, they will have some 35g testers, I have like 50 testers now, they always send me some new when I make purchase lol.


Gotchya, thanks


What should i look out for, for good/bad digestion?
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