americans who feel that way should just emmigrate. best way to eliminate support of a country/government is to leave imo. i was using hyperbole to make a point.

You’d think if guns were the problem every police station and gun range across America would have daily shootings, no?
Everyone in there is generally armed, yet no shootings.

Mass shootings in gun free zones, however.
Which doesn’t make sense, because it’s illegal to have a gun there in the first place.

It’s almost as if disarming the public isn’t the best answer.

Weird.

It's not like mass shootings happen at grocery stores or a dentists office. They typically are in populated areas, such as schools. Not that I think disarming the public will do any good, but it's not as if every other area is being shot up except for the shooting range.

I mean, grocery stores are pretty heavily populated right after the first of the month, at least in my area.
It’s also not illegal to carry there.

My point is that there are dozens of folks at the gun range at any given time, they ALL have firearms, and yet for some reason they don’t all go crazy and shoot each other. If it were specifically a firearm related issue you’d think the places most heavily visited by firearm owners would be the problem.
Instead it always seems to be places where firearms aren’t allowed, and most of the firearms used aren’t legally obtained.

It’s then reasonable to conclude that it’s not the firearm, but the PEOPLE USING THEM.

Bad people have been doing bad shit since the beginning of time, before firearms were ever invented, and continue to do so even in countries where there are strict firearms laws or even outright bans.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in favor of stricter background checks and common sense gun restrictions.

However, it’s been proven time and time again that the folks legally carrying to protect themselves aren’t the problem, so why punish them for something they’re not doing wrong?

correct, guns just make it so much easier



they dont need them. u have 2 hands, feet, elbows, knees, etc.

if u cant defend with those, let natural selection happen.

carry a can of pepper spray even lmfao

i dont understand why u need a weapon requiring 1 tug of the finger to take life

This post was edited by devilslayer on May 19 2018 06:27pm

Q is why is it hapoening so much right now

Which would be fine if criminals fought fair, they don't.
They're going to bring a gun, regardless of the law. So why wouldn't I carry one to protect myself?

Are you saying that a can of pepper spray vs. a handgun is going to be as effective as a handgun vs. another handgun?

EDIT: I will tell you from first hand experience that pepper spray is painful but NOT debilitating.
We had to get OC sprayed during security forces training and then had to run an obstacle course, fight off a an attacker, defend against a small riot, and then handcuff a suspect.
Yes, it sucked. Yes, it sucked something fierce.
However, I was still able to do all that, alone with my peers.
It's not like getting hit with some shitty pepper spray is going to make someone drop to their knees and surrender immediately.

This post was edited by Cambridge on May 19 2018 07:14pm

couple problems with that;

-stricter gun laws will make them harder to obtain for criminals too.
-2 guns instead of 1 only guarantees death... if someone pulls a gun on you, theres a good chance they want something from you (and theres a decent chance it isnt your life). if its your life you're probably already dead.



no, its going to be effective vs an assailant w/o a firearm...

anyways, police exist for a reason. let them do their job.

First off, most criminals obtain their firearms ILLEGALLY. Which means they don't bother with background checks, and they don't care about the gun laws barring someone from owning one. So no, gun laws DON'T make it more difficult for criminals to obtain a gun.
Second, that may be the case in muggings; a school shooting isn't a mugging. Those bad guys are coming to end your life, period. They don't want anything from you.
As for the comment about the police, that's all well and good. I'll be sure and let that policeman that follows me around 100% of the time do his job, you know, since they're available every single second of the day for every single citizen.

yes they do, for example;

some criminals steal them from legitimate owners

less owners = less people to steal them from



you do realize adding more guns into a school shooting situation could make it even worse?



so you want a perfect world where everyone is protected at all times, but you're arguing for the thing that would make it as unperfect and chaotic as possible? makes no sense, but ok.


theres always a chance something bad happens any time you leave your house.. hell, there is even if you dont. more guns make it even worse.

i get the feeling ya'll just like carrying guns around to feel an illusory sense of power

This post was edited by devilslayer on May 19 2018 10:15pm