Quote (Wretch @ Mar 19 2017 08:23am)
red meat and some processed meat cooked at high temps were found to be mutagenic, take that as you will. never did find a peer-reviewed case study on whether or not it's carcinogenic.
also whey is fine. it's allergenic, that's the only thing i watch out for.
yes, high temperature cooking of heme in meat drives a rxn with carcinogenic byproducts but animal protein itself is not carcinogenic. its the cooking process that produces compounds that cause harm to our cells. this is why rew needs to review his understanding and claims, he hears buzzwords and reads headlines and glosses over the nitty gritty important shit. casein and whey are indeed animal-based proteins but at what point in their production are they exposed to 400F temperatures, in the presence of heme, that might drive carcinogenic potential? i would bet that milk proteins are no more carcinogenic than proteins from plants.
Quote (Wretch @ Mar 19 2017 11:55am)
the bit about iron is interesting. never knew that.
really though, things like this have been hard for me to interpret and reach a reasonable conclusion about.
whether tests are done in vitro or not, or animal tested, or human tested, the difficulty in pinpointing probable cause in something like cancer, mutagenic vs. carcinogenic, it's a lot.
either way, the suggestion and a bit of reasonable doubt is enough to make me avoid red meat \o/
mostly in vitro (not vivo) and epidemiological studies making an association between CR cancer and meat intake.
This post was edited by cloudkicker on Mar 19 2017 10:10am