Will look into those, I honestly think that with just a cycle or two of clen, I'd be able to hit my goal of 8%, I heard upping your cardio on a clen cycle will shred you the fuck up

ditch the clen bruh, go all in with dnp

Playing with fire mate... Enormous strain on the heart. I strongly recommend against clenbuterol.

It saddens me how many people turn to such unhealthy measures in the HEALTH AND FITNESS section.

I appreciate the concern but just running one or two cycles isn't really playing with fire. Using clen in a long term setting is when it starts becoming deadly.

also saddening how many people take pills because their doctor says they should

Agreed but hopefully you see the difference of context between a "Health and Fitness" forum section which consistently produces ideas of stacking steroids and other harmful substances, and the subject you brought up out of nowhere.

There are many things that are saddening I agree.

He's asking about using something, might as well educate to the best of our ability for harm reduction purposes. Note I recommended healthy alternatives before turning to clen, also legal ones. Also told him to not take anavar.

Half the people who recommend steroids are joking. If I openly talk about it, it's probably with Tear or a few others I know who have used before. If you know what you're doing and have a doctors supervision you can do it healthily as well.

Clen was fine, I had really good stuff and my body reacted really well to it. (some people have trouble sleeping, and some other minor sides)
I can't tell how much it actually worked because I was on Tren A at the time also for my cut.

FLegend.

no need to be ignorant and come into a thread bashing someone. Its like putting your religion advice in an athirst thread, no one cares, and its unnecessary.
plenty of people use steroids, some abuse them, some use them properly and come out just as healthy sometimes even better (with the amount of exercise and diet they have) then they did before.. i sure did anyways.

also you can read negative side effects on any prescription drug or illegal substance, but anyone can do that. I'd trust the honest advice of someone who actually took those substances and have actually experience with them.

I've also yet to meet a doctor that has the SLIGHTEST clue in regards to AS, out of the last 5-6 I've seen in the last few years.

We're just giving our honest advice from having dealt with what OP's looking into getting into.

Don't just run the clen alone. Run with anavar to avoid muscle wasting as much as possible. Make the cycle a quick blast. 2 weeks on 2 off type of thing. You'll recover despite being shutdown from the anavar.

clen alone is fine
especially short term.

but no test is definitely an issue