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Dec 9 2016 01:16pm
Quote (cloudkicker @ Dec 9 2016 02:11pm)
Dead neural tissue is dead tissue. If you destroy the soma, it's not coming back. You can damage or sever axons and they will regenerate but once the cell body is dead the neuron is dead. Unless by neurogenesis you are referring to the healing of axons. Why do you think stroke survivors have such permanent functional loss? The cortex is highly plastic and the remaining tissue will rearrange it's functional organization but once neurons die they are dead and not replaced


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In the cns, even severed axons aren't rejuvenated typically, mostly from formation of a glial scar, and negative feedback to axonal sprouting from astrocytes and microglia. In the PNS, they ofc can regenerate, but also it's not perfect and neuromas can form. No, neurogenesis is proliferation and subsequent differentiation/survival of neural precursor cells, but it's restricted to certain neurogenic niches, that's why I said inducing it is worthless for most things, but may have implications for chronic/severe depression and related morbidities. One drug is already doing that (NSI-189) and has shown some good efficacy in treating treatment-resistant depression in clinical trials hitherto. That also opens up into the intriguing field of nootropics, though. On one hand, hippocampal neurogenesis could "overwrite" some memories and actually cause forgetting, but can also ramp up overall processing power. That's an aside I just love the field, albeit it has been lackluster thus far. And yes, we're saying the same thing as far as stroke goes. That's why I said neurogenesis wouldn't be a good target for repairing the damage, but instead something like stem cells once we develop adequate specificity. Certain pro-neurogenic drugs, anti-inflammatories, etc, could be an avenue but they'd need administration in temporal propinquity to the injury which probably isn't likely. Would talk about more possibilities but gotta leave at the moment to the gross lab (awesome btw).
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Dec 9 2016 01:54pm
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Most psychedelic drugs has the potential to help with anxiety and depression since they overflood you with seratonin.
I remember one of my teachers talked about how psychedelic drugs where often discussed amongst psychologist and how it could be a good idea for depressed patients since they allow you to ''kill your ego'', this was of course under controlled dose/environment.

But the problem is people who use it by themselves and take quite a lot, the possibility of hallucinations can make it worse and the backlash when the trip is over can make you more tired and depressed for a few days.


Wouldn't it possible to put the ayahuasca into a time released capsule to prevent or dramatically discourage the chances of the drug being abused?

Or even, a time released capsule that's 50% ayahuasca, 25% "something else," "25% something else" that would ever prevent someone from reaching the stages of hallucination because those "something else" chemicals would block whatever receptors in your brain therefore not allowing any patients to reach the stages of hallucination? IDK - merely speculating. I dont know if that idea is even possible in todays medicine.

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Dec 9 2016 02:09pm
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ Dec 9 2016 03:16pm)
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In the cns, even severed axons aren't rejuvenated typically, mostly from formation of a glial scar, and negative feedback to axonal sprouting from astrocytes and microglia. In the PNS, they ofc can regenerate, but also it's not perfect and neuromas can form. No, neurogenesis is proliferation and subsequent differentiation/survival of neural precursor cells, but it's restricted to certain neurogenic niches, that's why I said inducing it is worthless for most things, but may have implications for chronic/severe depression and related morbidities. One drug is already doing that (NSI-189) and has shown some good efficacy in treating treatment-resistant depression in clinical trials hitherto. That also opens up into the intriguing field of nootropics, though. On one hand, hippocampal neurogenesis could "overwrite" some memories and actually cause forgetting, but can also ramp up overall processing power. That's an aside I just love the field, albeit it has been lackluster thus far. And yes, we're saying the same thing as far as stroke goes. That's why I said neurogenesis wouldn't be a good target for repairing the damage, but instead something like stem cells once we develop adequate specificity. Certain pro-neurogenic drugs, anti-inflammatories, etc, could be an avenue but they'd need administration in temporal propinquity to the injury which probably isn't likely. Would talk about more possibilities but gotta leave at the moment to the gross lab (awesome btw).


Yes that's what I meant. Peripheral motor and sensory axons will regenerate and sprout new axon terminals or dendrites to their target musculature. Upper motor neurons will not, as in spinal injury.
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Dec 9 2016 02:27pm
in this thread people who aren't smart try to sound smart

(145 iq here)
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Dec 9 2016 04:07pm
Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 9 2016 04:27pm)
in this thread people who aren't smart try to sound smart

(145 iq here)


iq doesnt mean much of anything as far as understanding what they are saying

just cause ur iq is any number, doesnt reflect your knowledge on specific areas such as what they are discussing...
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Dec 9 2016 04:35pm
Quote (noob_whacker @ Dec 9 2016 05:07pm)
iq doesnt mean much of anything as far as understanding what they are saying

just cause ur iq is any number, doesnt reflect your knowledge on specific areas such as what they are discussing...


that is precisely what I was illustrating by calling people who most would consider to be expressing sophisticated knowledge (and thus their intelligence) unintelligent

try to keep up next time
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Dec 9 2016 06:16pm
Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 9 2016 04:27pm)
in this thread people who aren't smart try to sound smart

(145 iq here)


Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 9 2016 06:35pm)
that is precisely what I was illustrating by calling people who most would consider to be expressing sophisticated knowledge (and thus their intelligence) unintelligent

try to keep up next time


"illustrating" some shit with that broken sentence. lawl.

why do you seem offended? you are now trying to be a dick with your comment. ur cool bruh

fk off
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Dec 9 2016 06:54pm
Quote (Shakti @ 9 Dec 2016 20:54)
Wouldn't it possible to put the ayahuasca into a time released capsule to prevent or dramatically discourage the chances of the drug being abused?

Or even, a time released capsule that's 50% ayahuasca, 25% "something else," "25% something else" that would ever prevent someone from reaching the stages of hallucination because those "something else" chemicals would block whatever receptors in your brain therefore not allowing any patients to reach the stages of hallucination? IDK - merely speculating. I dont know if that idea is even possible in todays medicine.


What you are after is microdosing or just taking smaller dosage and then refill when the high is coming down I guess. This would probably work in clinical/controlled trials but not for the average person.
I do not know if there is any way of stopping hallucinations or make the drug spread out over a certain time by itself. I mean if you take 250mg spread out in 5 doses it will make you have a more pleasant and controlled trip than if you take 250mg at once and you are forced to experience yourself in third person in space without the option to escape/stop it.
Doing drugs is a science in itself if you want to harvest the positive aspects. Everybody can abuse drugs but not everybody can use them responsible.
I mean if you do a minor dose of DMT/shrooms/LSD the weather can make you super happy/depressed, if doing it on a sunny day you will most likely feel great but if it's rainy outside you are more prone to become gloom/depressed.

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Dec 10 2016 03:38pm
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This post was edited by hoipolloi on Dec 10 2016 03:46pm
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Dec 11 2016 12:01pm
Also, since you all seem interested in ayahuasca: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4773875/

And pertinent to what plaad keeps mentioning about tripping and ego death, personality change, etc: http://www.ouramazingworld.org/uploads/4/3/8/6/43860587/lebedev_hbm-2016.pdf
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