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Sep 21 2016 11:47am
Is your neck tender to touch on the spinous processes along the midline of your cervical spine? You might need to go to a doctor and get an xray. Try to minimize movement
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Sep 21 2016 12:15pm
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Is your neck tender to touch on the spinous processes along the midline of your cervical spine? You might need to go to a doctor and get an xray. Try to minimize movement


Oh shiz. You just gave him an excuse to go full faggy time. Yoga pants + neck collar, look out boyos
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Okay let me rephrase. It isn't the optimal way for it to heal.

The only way for your body to heal is through inflammation. Why would you stop that process?

Ice leads to vasoconstriction in that area, slowing down the process of healing. A lot of athletic trainers aren't using ice anymore to get their athletes back to playing.


so ill highlight the controversy here, because there are two camps on this topic. the goal of immediate ice is to prevent swelling over the next 1-4 days. ice does nothing for swelling that has already occured, but by reducing blood flow to the area immediately you stop fluid from accumulating as much in that interstitial space near the injury. the benefit to this is that when you stop icing, blood can flow normally to the injury later because the arterial vessels arent compressed by swollen tissue. however, others say that we should just let things happen naturally to the tissue because the body knows how to repair itself (i'd argue that's not a true statement because there are certainly tissues where other animals have the capacity to repair but we do not) and by icing you're impeding the flow of blood to the tissue and slowing the regeneration process. i dont know what literature actually exists comparing the two treatments or examining the physiology behind them however
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so ill highlight the controversy here, because there are two camps on this topic. the goal of immediate ice is to prevent swelling over the next 1-4 days. ice does nothing for swelling that has already occured, but by reducing blood flow to the area immediately you stop fluid from accumulating as much in that interstitial space near the injury. the benefit to this is that when you stop icing, blood can flow normally to the injury later because the arterial vessels arent compressed by swollen tissue. however, others say that we should just let things happen naturally to the tissue because the body knows how to repair itself (i'd argue that's not a true statement because there are certainly tissues where other animals have the capacity to repair but we do not) and by icing you're impeding the flow of blood to the tissue and slowing the regeneration process. i dont know what literature actually exists comparing the two treatments or examining the physiology behind them however


was waiting for this haha
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Sep 21 2016 03:04pm
but seriously you should go get an assessment by a doc to see if you need neck xrays, i dont know why you didnt even think of that when you had an 80lb thing fall on your head. concussed maybeÉ
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so ill highlight the controversy here, because there are two camps on this topic. the goal of immediate ice is to prevent swelling over the next 1-4 days. ice does nothing for swelling that has already occured, but by reducing blood flow to the area immediately you stop fluid from accumulating as much in that interstitial space near the injury. the benefit to this is that when you stop icing, blood can flow normally to the injury later because the arterial vessels arent compressed by swollen tissue. however, others say that we should just let things happen naturally to the tissue because the body knows how to repair itself (i'd argue that's not a true statement because there are certainly tissues where other animals have the capacity to repair but we do not) and by icing you're impeding the flow of blood to the tissue and slowing the regeneration process. i dont know what literature actually exists comparing the two treatments or examining the physiology behind them however


Yeah I always read no icing after the first 2 days.

In my personal experience ice/heat 2mincold/2minhot treatment has always worked best for me going with tears ideology.

But of course I've also read Braxton's side of things saying ibuprofen/ice can reduce prostaglandins that get to the tissue.
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so ill highlight the controversy here, because there are two camps on this topic. the goal of immediate ice is to prevent swelling over the next 1-4 days. ice does nothing for swelling that has already occured, but by reducing blood flow to the area immediately you stop fluid from accumulating as much in that interstitial space near the injury. the benefit to this is that when you stop icing, blood can flow normally to the injury later because the arterial vessels arent compressed by swollen tissue. however, others say that we should just let things happen naturally to the tissue because the body knows how to repair itself (i'd argue that's not a true statement because there are certainly tissues where other animals have the capacity to repair but we do not) and by icing you're impeding the flow of blood to the tissue and slowing the regeneration process. i dont know what literature actually exists comparing the two treatments or examining the physiology behind them however



Your body is made to fix the problems that occur to it. If trauma occurs to a spot, your body will send blood that has the nutrients and chemicals needed to fix the problem. It also needs blood to get the waste out of the area. Why would you ever want to slow down those two processes? You're trapping waste at the site of trauma and preventing nutrients from reaching the trauma site.

If the arterial vessels are so compressed that they aren't working that effectively, you would have so many more problems from the site of trauma to the distal part of the body.

Our body fixes so many other things that we don't interfere with, so why would you interfere with this process?
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Your body is made to fix the problems that occur to it. If trauma occurs to a spot, your body will send blood that has the nutrients and chemicals needed to fix the problem. It also needs blood to get the waste out of the area. Why would you ever want to slow down those two processes? You're trapping waste at the site of trauma and preventing nutrients from reaching the trauma site.

If the arterial vessels are so compressed that they aren't working that effectively, you would have so many more problems from the site of trauma to the distal part of the body.

Our body fixes so many other things that we don't interfere with, so why would you interfere with this process?


Our neurons don't regenerate effectively, connective tissue like cartilage and some ligaments don't regenerate by themselves either. Bone will set by itself but not in any useful way unless fractures are reduced and supported. There are many examples where we need to effect the body for it to recover properly
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Sep 21 2016 06:09pm
Quote (Braxton11 @ Sep 21 2016 06:52pm)
Your body is made to fix the problems that occur to it. If trauma occurs to a spot, your body will send blood that has the nutrients and chemicals needed to fix the problem. It also needs blood to get the waste out of the area. Why would you ever want to slow down those two processes? You're trapping waste at the site of trauma and preventing nutrients from reaching the trauma site.

If the arterial vessels are so compressed that they aren't working that effectively, you would have so many more problems from the site of trauma to the distal part of the body.

Our body fixes so many other things that we don't interfere with, so why would you interfere with this process?


like fevers make our bodies more inhospitable to viruses n' shit.

Quote (cloudkicker @ Sep 21 2016 07:38pm)
Our neurons don't regenerate effectively, connective tissue like cartilage and some ligaments don't regenerate by themselves either. Bone will set by itself but not in any useful way unless fractures are reduced and supported. There are many examples where we need to effect the body for it to recover properly


so you're saying gramps didn't generate a double bypass all by himselfs?!

also who the fuck gets taken out by widowmaker bananas? this is truly fascinating. i bet you can get some 6 o'clock news coverage, or at least a buzzfeed article.

This post was edited by Wretch on Sep 21 2016 06:13pm
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