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Jul 20 2016 09:15pm
everyone knows that for speedstrength you use low reps and long rest periods.. this is ancient knowledge
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Jul 21 2016 12:48am
sure that's all well and good
but 3 minutes rest between sets could mean a freaking 3 hour workout if you do the same volume that takes an hour with 1 minute rest!
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Jul 21 2016 01:01am
Quote (Henchman21 @ Jul 21 2016 02:48am)
sure that's all well and good
but 3 minutes rest between sets could mean a freaking 3 hour workout if you do the same volume that takes an hour with 1 minute rest!


what?

i dont think u added that up correctly lol.....
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Quote (noob_whacker @ 21 Jul 2016 02:01)
what?

i dont think u added that up correctly lol.....


60 mintues of rest per workout obv
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Jul 21 2016 08:49am
Quote (Henchman21 @ Jul 21 2016 01:48am)
sure that's all well and good
but 3 minutes rest between sets could mean a freaking 3 hour workout if you do the same volume that takes an hour with 1 minute rest!



Of course. That's why I'd only do it for more major lifts and stick to my 90 second rest time for others
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Jul 21 2016 09:24am
Quote (cloudkicker @ Jul 20 2016 11:02pm)
my school doesnt subscribe to the sites that display the specific journal but the abstract says they specifically did NOT manipulate volume of work. volume was constant in their protocol, they only manipulated rest time.


Can find full text on Brad's researchgate

also on his blog he himself said, "Somewhat unexpectedly, however, muscle thickness tended to be greater when taking longer rest intervals as well. Although we can’t be sure of the underlying mechanisms, we speculated that results may be attributed a reduction in total volume load (i.e. reps /x/ load) over the course of the study. There is a well-established dose-response relationship between volume and hypertrophy, whereby higher volumes correlate with greater muscle growth. Thus, very short rest periods may compromise growth by reducing the amount of weight you can use on subsequent sets. This would indicate that if there are synergistic benefits to heightened metabolic stress, they are overshadowed by the associated decreased volume."

Lol. Obviously volume is going to be somewhat attenuated given less rest and thus lower weight, etc.
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Jul 21 2016 02:41pm
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ Jul 21 2016 02:37am)
As for this current study Brad carried out, I haven't cogitated on it enough to comment on it too much. However, it at least does lend more credence to the idea that higher overall volume/workload is the most integral to optimal hypertrophy, whilst concomitantly rendering some of the premises w/in metabolic stress obsolete (or at least of lesser importance, which makes sense). Of course, there are other factors contributing there so I won't go that far, just that specific factor (rest time). Maybe I'm a pedant or even non-believer, but I'd still honestly surmise that a 2-min rest group would have had the greatest hypertrophy - it's finding that middle ground of rest times for higher volume & workload, and still allowing more metabolic stress. I have no problem accepting the conclusions of this paper as a whole, as consistently using 1m rest is sure to stifle power output. However, one thing I'm still curious about, and I've seen Brad mention in the past, perhaps long-term bodybuilders, whom would consistently use shorter rest times, would achieve greater hypertrophy as a result, as they've grown fully accustomed to it and are able to achieve the adequate volume.

It's also pertinent to point out that a major flaw in these studies as well is simply the time-span, albeit that's more of a funding/human subject caveat than anything. Hypertrophy is such a long term process that it would be highly unscientific to draw too many extrapolations from one study like this. But, all in all, this makes sense simply from a volume perspective. Moreover, the differences in metabolic stress probably aren't too marked from simply manipulating rest times vs rep range. We know that volume is the most important. Second, I'd say from the research, is the effort aka more sets going to failure attenuates potential differences. Third, and where it's more nebulous, yet more interesting (and not as researched) is rep ranges which would modulate other major facets of hyp aka metabolic stress. The thing is, the third ties in with the first, in that it's far easier to achieve higher volume with higher rep ranges (given a threshold intensity ofc). What would be interesting to me is to see where exactly diminishing returns exist in the rep range, volume, rest time spectrum pertaining to the interplay between mechanical tension, metabolic stress, and a modicum of muscle damage.


I understood some words
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