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Apr 18 2016 06:07pm
Quote (PureOwnage2 @ Apr 19 2016 10:59am)
5x5 and 4x7 is literally only 3 more total reps.

If you really want hypertrophy, I'd either up the total volume or cut rest times.



Yeah, but on the rep continuum ~7 reps is the golden number for strength/Hypertrophy together, before strength takes a dive.
And ~10 reps is gg for Hypertrophy.

I know it's only 3 more reps, but I want it to slightly favour my goals.


You know of a better routine than Blaha's full body? :)
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Apr 18 2016 06:10pm
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For Jason's program, deadlifts are only workout B, so they would be once or twice a week.

Should I try find a a full body workout that has them each session?
Do you know of a better routine? I can do 4x sessions a week if that's better but I read Jason's is a1


I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I think cloudkicker would agree that Blaha's program is very well-rounded.

You'll get plenty of volume for every muscle group involved in a deadlift without having to do deadlifts often.

5x5 squat, hyperextensions, bent over rows, and a few deadlifts should be more than enough lowerback and hamstring work.

If anything, I always thought novice users might want more upper back work, but I might be impartial.

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Apr 18 2016 06:54pm
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Yeah, but on the rep continuum ~7 reps is the golden number for strength/Hypertrophy together, before strength takes a dive.
And ~10 reps is gg for Hypertrophy.

I know it's only 3 more reps, but I want it to slightly favour my goals.


You know of a better routine than Blaha's full body? :)


This is meticulous shit that isn't going to apply to you.
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Quote (HyphyIll @ Apr 19 2016 11:54am)
This is meticulous shit that isn't going to apply to you.



Perhaps. Thoughts on Blaha's routine?
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Apr 18 2016 07:24pm
Quote (uGhost @ Apr 18 2016 08:07pm)
Yeah, but on the rep continuum ~7 reps is the golden number for strength/Hypertrophy together, before strength takes a dive.
And ~10 reps is gg for Hypertrophy.

I know it's only 3 more reps, but I want it to slightly favour my goals.


You know of a better routine than Blaha's full body? :)


continuum is a theory, i think you'll get similar results if you push yourself hard at 5 or 7 reps. if youre worried about volume matching, add an extra set of 3 reps in the middle of your 5 sets and make them heavy. or do 4x7, it probably doesnt matter. also i dont know jasons routine so idk
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Apr 18 2016 09:34pm
Quote (cloudkicker @ Apr 19 2016 12:24pm)
continuum is a theory, i think you'll get similar results if you push yourself hard at 5 or 7 reps. if youre worried about volume matching, add an extra set of 3 reps in the middle of your 5 sets and make them heavy. or do 4x7, it probably doesnt matter. also i dont know jasons routine so idk



I remember Ethan analysed a ton of Hypertrophy studies and clarified 10 reps was gg.
I feel like although it's a theory, it's pretty damn accurate.
But yeah I understand when we're playing around with such minute variables there won't be much difference in results. Still, I am curious


This is it: https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout

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Apr 18 2016 09:46pm
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I remember Ethan analysed a ton of Hypertrophy studies and clarified 10 reps was gg.
I feel like although it's a theory, it's pretty damn accurate.
But yeah I understand when we're playing around with such minute variables there won't be much difference in results. Still, I am curious


This is it: https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout


who is ethan

also many bodybuilders alternate between different rep schemes, 10 is not optimal for anyone forever
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Apr 18 2016 09:47pm
why not just lift a couple days a week?

you could literally go into the gym and spend 15-20 minutes warming up and doing many sets up bench press to maintain most of your chest gains..

you could do the same thing with shoulder presses, squats, etc.


sometimes you just want to be lazy or spend time doing other things but seems silly to totally give up lifting when you could put in 20% of the effort you did prior to cutting back and come close to maintaining instead of atrophying
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Apr 18 2016 09:53pm
Quote (uGhost @ Apr 18 2016 07:07pm)
Yeah, but on the rep continuum ~7 reps is the golden number for strength/Hypertrophy together, before strength takes a dive.
And ~10 reps is gg for Hypertrophy.

I know it's only 3 more reps, but I want it to slightly favour my goals.


You know of a better routine than Blaha's full body? :)


As I sort of described in the post above, 7 reps is only considered the gold standard based on a given TUT. If you don't follow the same TUT protocol in the study that said 7 reps were optimal for both size and strength, the amount of reps is not all that relevant as far as hypertrophy goes.

Anyhow, I'd recommend leaving the routine as is and cutting down rest times and increasing TUT if you insist on focusing on trying to manipulate the program to increase hypertrophy. If after a few months you feel the need to, add volume or manipulate the rep schemes to increase TUT.
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Apr 18 2016 11:24pm
Quote (hoipolloi @ Apr 19 2016 02:47pm)
why not just lift a couple days a week?

you could literally go into the gym and spend 15-20 minutes warming up and doing many sets up bench press to maintain most of your chest gains..

you could do the same thing with shoulder presses, squats, etc.


sometimes you just want to be lazy or spend time doing other things but seems silly to totally give up lifting when you could put in 20% of the effort you did prior to cutting back and come close to maintaining instead of atrophying



20% isn't enough to maintain. 2/3rds is sufficient, as taught by my Resistance Training and Exercise Phys professors.
I stopped lifting because of the culture at uni, everyday all day different people have spare time and choose to smoke or drink or fuck around during that time, which is what I chose. Was too cbf to go lift unfortunately.
Fucked my gains but was worth it to have good times.



Quote (Qwaze @ Apr 19 2016 02:46pm)
who is ethan

also many bodybuilders alternate between different rep schemes, 10 is not optimal for anyone forever



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Quote (PureOwnage2 @ Apr 19 2016 02:53pm)
As I sort of described in the post above, 7 reps is only considered the gold standard based on a given TUT. If you don't follow the same TUT protocol in the study that said 7 reps were optimal for both size and strength, the amount of reps is not all that relevant as far as hypertrophy goes.

Anyhow, I'd recommend leaving the routine as is and cutting down rest times and increasing TUT if you insist on focusing on trying to manipulate the program to increase hypertrophy. If after a few months you feel the need to, add volume or manipulate the rep schemes to increase TUT.



Mm good idea, I'll do that and see how we go! Cheers man, good to have you back dropping knowledge bombs every now n then
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