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Mar 18 2015 06:25pm
just take tramadol instead they aint an opiate fam...
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Mar 18 2015 07:10pm
Quote (Lolzor @ Mar 19 2015 12:21am)
benzos are pretty gg for helping with insomnia, restlessness, anxiety etc.

yeah you can use antihistamines like Benadryl, doxylamine, chlorpheniramine etc. but their effects are temporary and tolerance occurs quickly (that being said, mild to moderate opiate withdrawal usually won't kill you and really involves symptom treatment... unless you have a physician prescribing for you or a rehab facility to help, then you are on your own and gotta do what you gotta do I suppose...)


/edit - make sure to drink lots of fluid, try to eat what you can... you'll likely get nauseous and have diarrhea (opposing the previous constipation of narcotics) and keep some OTC pain relievers around


Don't replace one substance with another.

Quote (yostraydog @ Mar 19 2015 12:25am)
just take tramadol instead they aint an opiate fam...


Yes it is.


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Mar 18 2015 07:19pm
Quote (ug_warrior(xtc) @ Mar 18 2015 09:10pm)
Don't replace one substance with another.



Yes it is.


You're right in that you don't REPLACE one substance with another, but he is still correct in that you still use it to treat the symptoms as they come. They are actually prescribed for this reason.
Benzos aren't that dangerous or addictive either... they're quite safe -- especially at low doses.

Prescription clonidine might also help you OP.
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Mar 18 2015 07:35pm
Quote (YoloSwag420 @ Mar 18 2015 08:19pm)
You're right in that you don't REPLACE one substance with another, but he is still correct in that you still use it to treat the symptoms as they come. They are actually prescribed for this reason.
Benzos aren't that dangerous or addictive either... they're quite safe -- especially at low doses.

Prescription clonidine might also help you OP.


benzos aren't that dangerous or addictive?!?!?!? bro people rarely die from opiate wd's but benzo wd's are 20x worse.. that shit will kill you quick as fuck... im not hating on benzos I love them but truth is truth.
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Quote (Yohey @ Mar 19 2015 01:35am)
benzos aren't that dangerous or addictive?!?!?!? bro people rarely die from opiate wd's but benzo wd's are 20x worse.. that shit will kill you quick as fuck... im not hating on benzos I love them but truth is truth.


You can not die from opiate withdrawal. I repeat. Cannot.

You CAN die from benzo withdrawal, just like alcohol. The only two drugs that the withdrawal itself can kill you from having seizures. Not side effects from withdrawal, like not eating or staying hydrating.

Clonodine can help, it's a super strong blood pressure medication -- opiate withdrawal makes your anxiety levels go up, thus BP.

Quote (YoloSwag420 @ Mar 19 2015 01:19am)
You're right in that you don't REPLACE one substance with another, but he is still correct in that you still use it to treat the symptoms as they come. They are actually prescribed for this reason.
Benzos aren't that dangerous or addictive either... they're quite safe -- especially at low doses.

Prescription clonidine might also help you OP.


No. Benzodiazipines are prescribed to people with anxiety. If you have a doctor who will prescribe you benzos for opiate withdrawal, then you have a bad doctor who does not truly care about your well being. End of story. No treatment facility will prescribe this. You may get off lucky with a prescription of (placebo) Buspirone and Trazodone to help you sleep.
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Quote (ug_warrior(xtc) @ Mar 18 2015 08:10pm)
Don't replace one substance with another.



Yes it is.


no its not, its a synthetic.
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Mar 19 2015 12:29am
Quote (yostraydog @ Mar 19 2015 05:20am)
no its not, its a synthetic.


opiod vs opiate

are you retarded? one is man made, one is natural. I'm gonna walk away on this one.

(that's like you saying oxycodone (oxycontins active ingredient, generic form) is less addicting/effective/less sideffects, because it's a partial synthetic))
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opiod vs opiate

are you retarded? one is man made, one is natural. I'm gonna walk away on this one.

(that's like you saying oxycodone (oxycontins active ingredient, generic form) is less addicting/effective/less sideffects, because it's a partial synthetic))


I think youre missing the basis of my context, I didn't say it wasnt an addictive substance.
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Mar 19 2015 07:39am
Quote (Yohey @ Mar 18 2015 09:35pm)
benzos aren't that dangerous or addictive?!?!?!? bro people rarely die from opiate wd's but benzo wd's are 20x worse.. that shit will kill you quick as fuck... im not hating on benzos I love them but truth is truth.


that is typically why they are only given a 7-14 day supply
and no benzos won't get you addicted as quick as fuck and kill you fast hahaha. The withdrawal is more dangerous, yes, people may get seizures and tachycardia and mental status changes... but nobody is going to prescribe months long treatment at high doses with them and regular physician and pharmacist follow up are there to reduce this likelihood even with the lowest of doses lmao.
Would you rather try drugs like benzos or clonidine etc. (keep in mind im not saying to prescribe them for every candidate -ideally certain drugs go with certain cases- you do a work up as a physician first lol) for symptom management first or put patients directly into the methadone program lol... there really aren't many choices, but it is done on a patient by patient basis.
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Mar 19 2015 10:55am
Quote (yostraydog @ Mar 19 2015 12:20am)
no its not, its a synthetic.


do you understand how this works?
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