go ahead then

Planning on it, was just curious as to why they aren't in any programs.

They are in starting strength

They are also in the Texas method

The 2 most well known programs ever, ever.

Did u even look, do u even scout? Do u even lift?

Never really looked into Texas method and I forgot that SS had them in the program.

touche

Lolcrossfit.

Tell that to your m8 who said people who train strength and hypertrophy can't do them.

Too momentum based for my liking.

BoneYards mind has been clouded by crossfit don't listen to him

dumbest thing I've ever read smh

so much facepalm for one thread...

but, my belief as to why they aren't in a lot of programs:
- too technical for most lifters (takes a good amount of work to completely them correctly)
- doesn't highly benefit whatever goal is being pursued
- doesn't fit smoothly into hypertrophy routines*
- doesn't fit smoothly into strength routines (specifically powerlifting)**

wall of text for a bit of my thoughts on training:


*olympic lifts were originally intended to be done in sets of lower reps, they are explosive and technical movements...with higher reps, you lose explosiveness with fatigue..with fatigue, technique begins to break down rapidly...so, getting into higher reps with any sort of load completely defeats the purpose as you can no longer completely the movement safely and also lose the explosive element (if you have to hitch the bar bar on to you stomach and flop around a bit to get it to the rack postion, your are doing it wrong - see a number of crossfit fail videos)..now, since it is done properly in lower rep sets, it isn't as much as a hypertrophy exercise as compared to something else that involves greater TUT..lastly, it works so many different muscle groups, it does not fit cleanly in to any specific day in a hypertrophy routine

**when training for powerlifting, the olympic lifts don't fit in to routines because they don't necessarily correlate directly to higher lifts in the big three..the explosiveness is always beneficial in my opinion, but the olympic lifts are very taxing if done with a high load..so, if you incorporate these in to a powerlifting routine, the energy spent on the olympic lifts would be taken from time that could have been spent better on directly improving the big 3..for example, instead of a clean for explosiveness off of the floor, work with speed deadlifts instead - the load can be higher, it is less technical, and it should translate better directly to the lift you are trying to improve..as with any type of training with a specific goal in mind, specificity of training needs to be taken into account first and foremost (with this example, would you tell an olympic lifter to run half-marathons to lift better? why or why not? would you tell a powerlifter to olympic lift to optimally increase the big 3 numbers? why or why not?)



now, if you are training for something specific and see a reason why a certain lift will benefit that training, then you should probably be doing it..for example, if you are training for most sports, olympic lifts are useful as they teach the body to generate force quickly through triple extension, which in turn also means the body is moving in a synchronized manner (which is also important for sports)


this goes down to any exercise, or anything for that matter..if you don't have a reason to be doing something, then why are you doing it? does it relate to what you are trying to accomplish? and if something seems like it would work for what you are trying to accomplish and you aren't doing it, why don't you start?

well put

tyman