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Jan 7 2015 05:52am
Quote (Braxton11 @ Jan 6 2015 10:13am)
So I have crohns/ulcerative colitis and have been on and off corticosteroids for quite some time. I got off of them about a month and a half ago. I started lifting again, starting like 3-4 weeks ago and now I'm back on the corticosteroids. My doctor told me that i could lift on them, but everything I have read online has said that it is a terrible idea.

I know there are a few people in here who are really intelligent and some also in the medical field/human body type of work. I'm just looking for a second opinion on if I should stop or if it's okay.

This was typed on my phone, so I apologize if it's a little sporadic.


Diarrhea = loss of fluids/electrolytes = water weight loss
Corticosteroids = proteolysis/catabolic effects on muscle

add the 2 together...

e: ur better off without the corticosteroids, and focusing on a diet/herbs that prevent diarrhea/fluid loss.

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Jan 7 2015 07:14am
Quote (ViviLOL @ Jan 7 2015 07:52am)
Diarrhea = loss of fluids/electrolytes = water weight loss
Corticosteroids = proteolysis/catabolic effects on muscle

add the 2 together...

e: ur better off without the corticosteroids, and focusing on a diet/herbs that prevent diarrhea/fluid loss.


Unfortunately for me, my intestines are super inflamed at the moment and there is massive amounts of blood in my stools. The pain is almost to the point of when I was first diagnosed with it.

Trust me, I don't want to be on the corticosteroids, but unfortunately for me there is no other option at the moment. Especially with school like 3 weeks away and I missed last semester because I didn't want to go on prednisone. Not missing another semester.

I know it is terrible for my body in basically every way. What I want to know is how bad it is for me to continue lifting while on them and if I could actually injure/do more harm to myself by lifting instead of just stopping and waiting to get off of the corticosteroid.
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Jan 7 2015 07:17am
Quote (Braxton11 @ Jan 7 2015 01:19am)
It is the exact opposite of anabolic steroids. The whole catabolic thing and your body takes forever to recover while on them. I've had bruises for over 2 weeks.

Doesn't it take longer for your muscles to recover?


it might take a little longer for something, but again, don't lift super heavy and try to break your PRs and such and youll be fine

Quote (YoloSwag420 @ Jan 6 2015 08:42pm)
I don't see any harm in exercising while on prednisone unless you are going balls-to-the-wall, in which case it might be more damaging, especially for things like your joints.
It will be beneficial at helping your body to regulate bone turnover and blood sugar levels which are altered by corticosteroids and may also help to stave off some unwanted weight gain.


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Jan 7 2015 12:33pm
Quote (Braxton11 @ Jan 6 2015 03:21pm)
I was supposed to start Humira (a biologic), but I have been dicked around by insurance companies and everything else and my doctor took me off my old medicine because he was expecting me to be on Humira right away and the two are really bad when mixed. I have been essentially on no meds for 3 or so weeks and I have gotten really bad, which is why I am back on prednisone. This prednisone is not by choice, it is simply because I can't do anything at the moment.

I also asked my doctor about the marijuana and he won't support it till it is more than just case studies.


Shitty dealing with insurance companies when they want to be difficult like that. Gf had many problems with something as simple as birth control lol.
But I see. Eh, there's plenty of evidence that cannabis has a ton of efficacy and amazing safety profile in treating Crohn's disease thus far. From what I remember, there's at least 2 I can think of, one using 20 some patients and another using 30 some (placebo controlled, etc) and the cannabis was well tolerated (obv) and the efficacy is wonderful.

Beyond that, from a purely molecular point of view, there's nothing that should be contraindicated at all in that respect.
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Jan 7 2015 01:44pm
Quote (Lolzor @ Jan 7 2015 09:17am)
it might take a little longer for something, but again, don't lift super heavy and try to break your PRs and such and youll be fine


Hahaha I'm squatting 155 right now.

I'm only doing legs and back right now, due to tendonitis in my bicep and shoulder shit. My pt said no chest, shoulders, or arms.

Just going to 3-4 times a week I think and just alternate the two.
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ Jan 7 2015 02:33pm)
Shitty dealing with insurance companies when they want to be difficult like that. Gf had many problems with something as simple as birth control lol.
But I see. Eh, there's plenty of evidence that cannabis has a ton of efficacy and amazing safety profile in treating Crohn's disease thus far. From what I remember, there's at least 2 I can think of, one using 20 some patients and another using 30 some (placebo controlled, etc) and the cannabis was well tolerated (obv) and the efficacy is wonderful.

Beyond that, from a purely molecular point of view, there's nothing that should be contraindicated at all in that respect.


Yeah I brought up the case studies and everything to the doc and he said until the FDA approves it, he won't prescribe it.

Today is the second day of being on the corticosteroid and I can already notice it working. Obviously not full effect, but at least I'm not afraid of leaving the house/moving.

Hopefully I have decent luck with the humira, whenever I can get it haha.

With the sodium retention/hypertension side effect of prednisone, is there any way to counteract that?
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Jan 7 2015 05:44pm
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ Jan 6 2015 11:38pm)
Lack of education of the pathophysiology of the disease in the first place, you ignorant and hubristic medical student (as usual)


I know the pathophysiology of the disease and it fully explains why corticosteroids work and why they've been a llife saving agent to thousands of people living with crohn's or UC.
Keep "feeling" like you said that they worsen crohn's disease but please keep that BELIEF for yourself.

I suggest OP you stop reading what this man says or at least question every word. He says things you want to hear, he is dangerous and a concern for your health.
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Jan 7 2015 05:58pm
Quote (Urbain @ Jan 7 2015 07:44pm)
I know the pathophysiology of the disease and it fully explains why corticosteroids work and why they've been a llife saving agent to thousands of people living with crohn's or UC.
Keep "feeling" like you said that they worsen crohn's disease but please keep that BELIEF for yourself.

I suggest OP you stop reading what this man says or at least question every word. He says things you want to hear, he is dangerous and a concern for your health.


Such blatant disrespect for someone who plans on going to med school too. As if I've ever even come close to making an unsubstantiated claim anyway.
I would not dream of arguing many of the clinically oriented things with you, you're far more educated there... but I'm more educated on many of the nuances/molecular side of things

Med school/conventional medicine is great, I'm following that route as well. But you need to learn to think for yourself and actually delve deeper into your studies into the things that remain untaught. Many fundamental aspects for holistic health & longevity in biochemistry are never even touched on for most medical students. If I brought many things up, such as hormetic processes, thermoplastic biochemistry, dual-circadian synchronization, and more, and their effect on health, you'd likely scoff out of ignorance.

Oh and fyi, it's not a feeling, it's knowledge of the pathophysiology. If you bothered to read the rest of my comment on the effect of chronically elevated cortisol, it by far augments the same deleterious disease process that promotes the disorder in the first place.
Further, I do respect you, as I do any medical student, but drop the hubris and think for yourself.
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Jan 7 2015 06:26pm
Quote (Braxton11 @ Jan 7 2015 01:44pm)
Hahaha I'm squatting 155 right now.

I'm only doing legs and back right now, due to tendonitis in my bicep and shoulder shit. My pt said no chest, shoulders, or arms.

Just going to 3-4 times a week I think and just alternate the two.

Yeah I brought up the case studies and everything to the doc and he said until the FDA approves it, he won't prescribe it.

Today is the second day of being on the corticosteroid and I can already notice it working. Obviously not full effect, but at least I'm not afraid of leaving the house/moving.

Hopefully I have decent luck with the humira, whenever I can get it haha.

With the sodium retention/hypertension side effect of prednisone, is there any way to counteract that?


is youre in a medical state just go to another doctor, what a pussy not prescribing it

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Jan 7 2015 06:33pm
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ Jan 7 2015 11:58pm)
Such blatant disrespect for someone who plans on going to med school too. As if I've ever even come close to making an unsubstantiated claim anyway.
I would not dream of arguing many of the clinically oriented things with you, you're far more educated there... but I'm more educated on many of the nuances/molecular side of things

Med school/conventional medicine is great, I'm following that route as well. But you need to learn to think for yourself and actually delve deeper into your studies into the things that remain untaught. Many fundamental aspects for holistic health & longevity in biochemistry are never even touched on for most medical students. If I brought many things up, such as hormetic processes, thermoplastic biochemistry, dual-circadian synchronization, and more, and their effect on health, you'd likely scoff out of ignorance.

Oh and fyi, it's not a feeling, it's knowledge of the pathophysiology. If you bothered to read the rest of my comment on the effect of chronically elevated cortisol, it by far augments the same deleterious disease process that promotes the disorder in the first place.
Further, I do respect you, as I do any medical student, but drop the hubris and think for yourself.


You indirectly recommand he stops his treatment and moves on to the unproven treatment of cannabis.
On that note, I strongly suggest you read the study or at least bother to read the various replies made to it in Gastro-Hepato journals (if you can't find them, let me know I'll pubmeb some for you). This study is horrible, poorly done and has no scientific value at all, *none*. It contributes, like you, to the spread of possibly dangerous (or at least wrong) information.

One of the first thing someone prescribing corticosteroids has in mind is "When the fuck can I stop giving those to me patient plz".
Corticosteroids have thousands of side effects on about every system and organs in the body, and when they are use in a chronic way it's a million times worst.
They are remission agents and are never used to maintain (except in severe, beyond last resort cases). Commenting on how you feel they worsen the disease is pointless and it is a piece of information that can easily be miss-used by many.

What you say on the Internets can have some serious implications, primum non nocere
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Jan 7 2015 06:42pm
So much irony
I literally can't stop laughing
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