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Lmao you fat piece of shit
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Dec 8 2014 09:04pm
Lost 40pounds in 4 months only by eating less and better.. Its easy. Was 6'4 260, now 220 pounds.
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Dec 8 2014 09:09pm
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Lost 40pounds in 4 months only by eating less and better.. Its easy. Was 6'4 260, now 220 pounds.


still fat
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Did you just find out about google?

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still fat


lol na

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Lost 40pounds in 4 months only by eating less and better.. Its easy. Was 6'4 260, now 220 pounds.


Jelly of 6'4'' status

Proceed to 6'4'' 250 12% bf
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Dec 8 2014 10:48pm
Quote (PinataParty @ Dec 8 2014 09:40pm)
the point of my post is that biochemically walking uses up more %fat for energy than running, running causes an exponential decay while walking does not. no matter how fast you run, youll lose more fat by walking.
ofcourse.. youll lose weight by starving yourself but doing that breaks your muscle down for energy. best option is to eat healthy and walk.

a low HR workout like a powerwalk requires less immediate energy which causes the body to burn fat rather than go into your immediate energy for high HR intensive workouts, which burn into your carbs.  youll see that you lose more calories but burning carbs before they are fat results in higher calorie loss but burning fat is what youre aiming for not burning off the food you just ate..

basically..... when you walk, you arent as tired so fast and you can sustain your walk for 3-4hours which allows your body to naturally go into fat reserves before breaking down carbs which is GOOD.  if you are at a high intensive workout, the body cannot sustain this for very long and it knows burning fat takes too long so it shifts to burning other resources for energy..basically you burn whatever you can for immediate energy, which is not fat.

athletes need to keep high HR because the more high HR workouts you do, the more efficient your body is at burning immediate reserves providing you more energy than a non-athlete would for a sprint piece allowing your muscles to not fatigue and get clogged up by lactate, which is good because if youre an athlete doing a 2k sprint, you want to be able to go 100% for all 2,000M, treating every meter like the first meter..


if you want to burn fat before you condition yourself for sports, walk and eat healthy. THEN do sprints and high HR workouts.
if you want to go straight into conditioning, go with high HR workouts because itll still help you burn fat in two ways, first ~5min will be the same as walking, rest will burn what would have turned into fat so when you sleep your body will burn the fat as you already burned your immediate energy reserves.



edit1:
the reason why birds are such amazing creatures is that when they fly they are so amazing is that they are able to very quickly turn their fat reserves into immediate energy without breaking down and causing them to fatigue after ~5min of flight. allowing them to migrate miles and miles on very low food. which is obviously necessary for survival.


edit2:
here is an article talking about what i talked about but indepth.

edit 3:
the figure below shows that the higher the intensity of the workout (high HR = high %O2 consumption) the less fat is burned.

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/3/336.full

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/3/336/F1.medium.gif
"To use only fat depots for energy a mammal must exercise at very low intensity and walk"


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this is what im saying is not correct.  dont work your ass off, work efficiently and eat healthy. dont tire yourself out as %fat loss is a long term goal and isnt a sprint.  if you tire yourself out youll strain your muscles and youll just have a bad time.


You're correct with a larger % of calories being burned via fat while walking vs running.
However the overall amount of calories being burned is significantly less when compared to running therefor higher intensity is still better for fat loss.
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Dec 8 2014 10:59pm
Quote (TheOak @ Dec 8 2014 11:48pm)
You're correct with a larger % of calories being burned via fat while walking vs running. 
However the overall amount of calories being burned is significantly less when compared to running therefor higher intensity is still better for fat loss.


calorie is only a measure of energy. high HR intensive workouts require more energy which burn carbs/proteins which are quick and easy to burn which show up as high amount of calories burned. however, the point of %fat loss is not how much calories you can burn but how much %fat loss you can achieve. This is done through low intensive workouts such as walking as it attacks your fat reserves and burning them instead of burning your carbs/proteins.

if you burn 900 calories at a HR of 180 (high HR) which depends on people but lets say this is 80 %VO2 required, as shown on graph this is 20% fat burned. = .2*900 = 180 calories from fat, rest are from carbs/proteins
if you burn 600 calories at a HR of 120 (resting HR)which depends on people but lets say this is 40 %VO2 required, as shown on graph this is 60% fat burned. = .6*600 = 360 calories from fat, rest are from carbs/proteins

180 fat @180HR vs. 360 fat @120 HR

if you make $3,000 in 18hours but at the end of the day you owe 90% of it to your boss and your friend makes $1,000 in 6hours but keeps 90% of it then your friend is working less and gaining 3times what you make.
high HR is working extra only to have a final result of $300 while low HR works less and ends with $900.

This post was edited by PinataParty on Dec 8 2014 11:03pm
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Dec 8 2014 11:06pm
Quote (PinataParty @ Dec 8 2014 09:40pm)
the point of my post is that biochemically walking uses up more %fat for energy than running, running causes an exponential decay while walking does not. no matter how fast you run, youll lose more fat by walking.
ofcourse.. youll lose weight by starving yourself but doing that breaks your muscle down for energy. best option is to eat healthy and walk.

a low HR workout like a powerwalk requires less immediate energy which causes the body to burn fat rather than go into your immediate energy for high HR intensive workouts, which burn into your carbs.  youll see that you lose more calories but burning carbs before they are fat results in higher calorie loss but burning fat is what youre aiming for not burning off the food you just ate..

basically..... when you walk, you arent as tired so fast and you can sustain your walk for 3-4hours which allows your body to naturally go into fat reserves before breaking down carbs which is GOOD.  if you are at a high intensive workout, the body cannot sustain this for very long and it knows burning fat takes too long so it shifts to burning other resources for energy..basically you burn whatever you can for immediate energy, which is not fat.

athletes need to keep high HR because the more high HR workouts you do, the more efficient your body is at burning immediate reserves providing you more energy than a non-athlete would for a sprint piece allowing your muscles to not fatigue and get clogged up by lactate, which is good because if youre an athlete doing a 2k sprint, you want to be able to go 100% for all 2,000M, treating every meter like the first meter..


if you want to burn fat before you condition yourself for sports, walk and eat healthy. THEN do sprints and high HR workouts.
if you want to go straight into conditioning, go with high HR workouts because itll still help you burn fat in two ways, first ~5min will be the same as walking, rest will burn what would have turned into fat so when you sleep your body will burn the fat as you already burned your immediate energy reserves.



edit1:
the reason why birds are such amazing creatures is that when they fly they are so amazing is that they are able to very quickly turn their fat reserves into immediate energy without breaking down and causing them to fatigue after ~5min of flight. allowing them to migrate miles and miles on very low food. which is obviously necessary for survival.


edit2:
here is an article talking about what i talked about but indepth.

edit 3:
the figure below shows that the higher the intensity of the workout (high HR = high %O2 consumption) the less fat is burned.

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/3/336.full

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/3/336/F1.medium.gif
"To use only fat depots for energy a mammal must exercise at very low intensity and walk"


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this is what im saying is not correct.  dont work your ass off, work efficiently and eat healthy. dont tire yourself out as %fat loss is a long term goal and isnt a sprint.  if you tire yourself out youll strain your muscles and youll just have a bad time.


Weight loss is determined by the amount of calories you ingest. If you're in a calorie deficit you'll lose weight, even if you don't exercise. High intensity is more preferable due to burning a high amount of calories in a short amount of time.
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Dec 8 2014 11:13pm
Quote (dark-soul @ Dec 9 2014 12:06am)
Weight loss is determined by the amount of calories you ingest. If you're in a calorie deficit you'll lose weight, even if you don't exercise. High intensity is more preferable due to burning a high amount of calories in a short amount of time.


mathematically, low HR hits your fat reserves more efficiently resulting in faster %fat loss while high HR does infact burn more calories, but doesnt result in as much %fat as low HR.

for example, if you want to work out your calves and person a ends up lifting a total of 200 pounds while person b ends up lifting a total of 50 pounds.
person a does squats and lets say only 15% of the 200 goes into calves (totaling 30lbs into calves) while person b does an exercise that sends 90% of weight into calves (totaling 45lbs into calves).
even though less pounds are lifted, person b has had a more effective calf exercise.

This post was edited by PinataParty on Dec 8 2014 11:13pm
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