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Dec 4 2014 05:18pm
Quote (Aube @ Dec 4 2014 03:36pm)
Crossfit is the best thing that happened to Olympic weightlifting and powerlifting in the last decade(s).

And I'm not a crossfitter.


Can you add some points and emphasize on that a little?
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Dec 4 2014 06:22pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ 4 Dec 2014 16:18)
Can you add some points and emphasize on that a little?


People know about crossfit moreover than they do about oly or PL

Cf greatly entails Olympic and PL based exercises

Cf coaches pay to attend seminars and receive insight from professional oly and pls alike.

Cf as a whole is beginning to realize that in order to maximize their illogical conjunction of random exercises they need to incorporate proper strength programming.

It brings attention to the derivatives.
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Dec 4 2014 07:26pm
Cross fit emphasis speed over form, and speed is rewarded

For instance, 10x deadlift reps as fast as u can then go for a sprint

As u rush the deadlift and as u fatigue, form deteriorates

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Dec 4 2014 07:56pm
Quote (Aube @ Dec 4 2014 04:36pm)
Crossfit is the best thing that happened to Olympic weightlifting and powerlifting in the last decade(s).

And I'm not a crossfitter.


Ya in terms of popularity for sure
and tbh it's getting a lot more people actually moving and doing some sort of exercise, so all the better

though overall it's still shitty. Unless your goal is to be good at crossfit, there's multiple workouts that are far more optimal for reaching your goal more rapidly. Form is awful. Often a random conglomeration of workouts and circuits.
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Dec 4 2014 09:47pm
1. Lack of sufficient testing protocols

When I looked over detailed notes from a CrossFit certification, I saw protocols for beginning, intermediate, and advanced workouts using multi-joint movements. But I didn't see any protocols for testing trainees for structural-balance issues.

I've worked with Olympians in 23 different sports, along with lots of professional athletes. Before having any of those athletes do their first power clean or squat, I do a series of tests to red-flag muscle imbalances that could increase the risk of injury.

And if there's a history of injuries with that athlete, then of course that's addressed in the workout design.

I'll give you an example: Olympic shot-putter Adam Nelson couldn't do power snatches before I started working with him because he had adhesions in his rotator cuff muscles. After we addressed the injury with Active Release Techniques (ART), Nelson was able to reintroduce the exercise in his workouts. Within a month he was handling personal-best weights.

Jim McKenzie, a professional hockey player I've trained, went from a 281-pound close-grip bench press to 380 pounds in less than four months by focusing on corrective exercises — and that's without doing any bench presses at all for the first three months!

2. Focus on a single training protocol

The protocols in CrossFit aren't appropriate for developing the highest levels of strength or power or speed. I doubt if you'll see any elite powerlifters, weightlifters, or sprinters using CrossFit protocols as their primary method of conditioning.

For example, when I trained [long jumper] Dwight Phillips for the Athens Games, we worked first on structural balance, and then on increasing his eccentric strength.

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Besides winning gold medals at the World Championships in Helsinki in 2005 and the Olympic Games in 2004, in training he beat some top-ranked sprinters in the 100 meters. I didn't accomplish this by having him superset high-rep push-ups with mile runs.

Coaches often overemphasize energy-system training with athletes, to the detriment of other physical qualities. Check out any exercise physiology textbook and look at the studies performed on elite athletes and their VO2 maxes. It's not necessary for a baseball player — or a basketball player for that matter — to have a VO2 max of 70. [A VO2 max in the high 50s is considered outstanding for a male in his late 20s.]

The promotional materials I've read about CrossFit imply that this type of training addresses all the strength and conditioning needs of an athlete, but the concept of specificity tells us that if you try to excel at everything, you aren't likely to reach the highest levels at anything.

This is why we don't see individuals who can run a mile in four minutes flat that can also bench press 500 pounds.

3. Insufficient instruction for teaching complex training methods

It takes more than a single weekend seminar to develop the competency to teach certain types of exercises, or to prescribe protocols for complex training methods. I'd include Olympic lifts, strongman exercises, and plyometrics in this category.

These training methods are sometimes criticized as dangerous by strength coaches. But when you look at why athletes become injured, you can often point to poor technique.

Interestingly enough, my first comments about CrossFit got a lot of business for my PICP coaches. They got calls from CrossFit practitioners who wanted to learn how to lift properly.

4. Inappropriate repetition brackets for complex exercises

Although high reps and short rest intervals can be used to develop muscular endurance, these protocols shouldn't be used with some exercises.

This is especially true with Olympic lifts, where it's difficult to maintain proper technique with high reps. And it's especially difficult when supersetting Olympic lifts with deadlifts, or any other multijoint exercise. If you want confirmation, just watch CrossFit trainees do these lifts in videos on their website.

The Olympic lifts should be used to develop power. If you want to develop muscular endurance, you should use simpler movements.

5. Inappropriate exercise order

In the CrossFit "Linda" workout, what's the logic in fatiguing the lower back with deadlifts before doing power cleans? Not only does it prevent you from doing the power cleans with optimal technique, it makes it more difficult to activate high-threshold motor units. That's why you should do all your sets of power cleans before you do deadlifts.
Another problem is that combining weight-training exercises with sprints places an athlete at a high risk of injury, especially to the hamstrings.

6. Endorsement of controversial exercises

On one website of a CrossFit affiliate, I saw video clips of athletes jumping onto cars and standing on Swiss balls. I appreciate the need to use a wide variety of exercises with clients, but not if they're high-risk exercises.

Because of these six concerns, I can't recommend CrossFit training, especially for those seeking the highest levels of athletic performance.

But in the interest of being open-minded, let's leave it at this: Despite its shortcomings, the CrossFit system is continually evolving. It'll be interesting to see how it changes as more athletes, along with nonathletes, participate in the program.


This is poliquin a number of years ago. In fairness, he now tours the world teaching Olympic lifting with klokov at cross fit gyms but I'm fairly certain he's just after the cash.

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Dec 4 2014 09:55pm
I regularly incorporate the workout 'Gina' into my training, it has helped a lot
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Dec 4 2014 10:14pm
Crossfit has done more good than harm when it comes to health and fitness

oly lifting
mobility/flexibility
female athletes

bad coaches
bad programming
bad form

The act of "crossfit" or metabolic conditioning, circuit training etc has really increased mass amount of athleticism imo.
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Dec 4 2014 10:37pm
Quote (TheOak @ Dec 4 2014 09:14pm)
Crossfit has done more good than harm when it comes to health and fitness

oly lifting
mobility/flexibility
female athletes

bad coaches
bad programming
bad form

The act of "crossfit" or metabolic conditioning, circuit training etc has really increased mass amount of athleticism imo.


he's alive :o
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Dec 5 2014 12:04am
A lot of downs about crossfit
But at the end of the day I can squat 265 and run a 5:50 mile :)
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Dec 5 2014 12:12pm
Quote (kylefrc @ Dec 5 2014 06:04am)
A lot of downs about crossfit
But at the end of the day I can squat 265 and run a 5:50 mile :)


is this supposed to be impressive?
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