Does it add up though? Or are you just surmising that based on little evidence?
Yes you could, that's actually a main point: many "dirty" foods aren't as bad as you think they are. Scrutinize the ingredients and differences in micronutrients, esp assuming you take a multi v (synthetic forms are equivalent), it's not much to worry about.

Could you define what it is to eat healthy or not eat healthy? You could eat these dirty foods most of the time (assuming you have no micronutrient deficiencies) and be lean, exercise regularly, maybe intermittently fast, and be far healthier than most people.

Ok. Find the studies. Make sure they aren't incredibly confounded by further lifestyle choices that are typically commensurate with the nutrition dogma.

"The difference is also slight"

doubtful your intake of white bread vs whole wheat is the make or break on your entire fiber intake.
and lol those are secondary effects perhaps

I'm not talking about "being lean". Anyone can look good on the outside off a dirty diet if combined with exercise.

But I have a strong feeling that if you were to compare 2 identical people (lets say twins) who do everything the same except the food they eat, that the twin who eats healthier will live longer and be healthier in the long-run - reduced risk of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, etc.

More and more now they are finding young individuals in top shape with arteries that are clogged with cholesterol. What gives?

Healthy vs Non-healthy is subjective, but lets just go extreme and say non-healthy = 100% mcdonalds bigmacs and fries 24/7 vs something else - e.g. some homemade meal with lean protein, etc.

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My post had nothing to do with the bread types by the way. Just about the importance of fiber.

I had a research paper for one of my nutrition classes that compared studies and such on the intake of fiber and cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabetes, and weight loss.

Kind of bullshitted the paper because all I needed on it was like an 80 to get an A in the class, but I could post the link in you're interested.

But being lean can generally strongly predict health, in a lot of ways. That's my point. It's a healthier investment than worrying about eating clean

ok, that may or may not be the case depending on possible genetic differences. Even if we're talking identical twins, their epigenetic state could be completely distinct. Of course your diet shouldn't consist 100% of shit, but you'll be hard pressed to seriously find any ubiquitous ingredient that's somehow damning to human health.

Lol. The thing with that is, cholesterol disposal and is largely genetic and not as easily predicted by body fat and such. LOL. Do you really think eating "dirty" foods, apart from mass amounts of trans fat (not gonna happen anymore), is going to have THAT big an influence on plasma cholesterol and trigs, assuming protein/cho/fats are the same? Pls. You're the same type that spouts not to eat saturated fats because they're so much worse

His PT told him man. You can never have Mc Donald's or you will have a heart attack. Moderation and hitting macros/micros means nothing, it's all about drinking bleach to finish your meals off.

are you dumb? slap nutella on white bread and youre laughing. slap nutella on whole grain and youre like wtf m8

potato bread #1

Too much crack in your diet

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