what you said doesnt really make sense, at least not to me. Something that doesnt bind to androgen receptors cant really have an anabolic effect (in terms of proteins), which would mean that anadrol is absolutely useless. I quickly googled and got the impression that it does bind but with very low affinity. How can it cause quicker gains if it binds worse than dianabol? Whats with the extra water weight with anadrol vs dianabol? And whats a "liver guard" ?

Anadrol is classified moreso as non-binding as is is extremely weak when binding to AR. They utilize different mechanisms to still promote muscle growth. One mechanism Anadrol uses is it increases the kidney's production of erythropoietin which ultimately creates extra red blood cells. You can look up the benefits of extra red blood cells yourself but know that this is a good thing and happens naturally with training but even moreso with steroids. Another is it increases the nitrogen retention of your body. This is is what leads to the "bloating" that is associated with Anadrol. Essentially it's the same thing as if you just ate 500 grams of carbs. You're going to bloat up quite a bit and it stops when you come off the cycle.

Liver guard I'm not entirely familiar with it's physiological processes... but I know you really need to use some sort of liver guard while on a cycle as these are very toxic to your liver. I assume it's just some sort of "detox" type pills that help protect your liver while on the drugs.

raw eggs. youre welcome.

inb4 warns for all of you.

then it sounds more like the doping aerobic athletes would take.

i would really be cautious with that kind of shit because increasing blood viscosity isn't a good thing, especially for lifters. The liver guard thing seems whack to me though

This post was edited by prednam on Oct 10 2014 02:27am

I'll address the androgen vs anabolic aspect later
As for liver guard, essentially these oral steroids are 17-alpha alkylated agents, which is why they survive first pass, but stress the liver. They induce specifically cholestasis over time. Ursodeoxycholic acid is the "liver guard" you should use. It's used clinically for the condition. Specifically you can easily buy tauroursodeoxycholic acid (TUDCA) and it mitigates damage.

Heh, the funny thing is, on these boards they don't realize these compounds also deleteriously shift the redox status of tissues, which I don't believe TUDCA will help in.

I skip the loading phase and just mix 5grams with my protein shake every day or so

It's fairly safe from what I've read so long as you're smart with it. However, it is VERY toxic to the liver hence the use of a liver guard. I'm not sure of the physiological processes involved with the liver guard. I'll definitely have to research more into it. I think it's just essentially a supplement to help protect your liver on the cycle.

As Balla said, they can induce cholestatis but it's unlikely on a short cycle. Repeated cycles with increasing length are far more likely to cause this.

However, your biggest concern with the liver would be a variable rate of serum enzyme elevations. This onset usually begins 2-8 (citation needed?, not sure on the upper bound) weeks after starting Anadrol and other steroids.



I don't see why this should/would result in a warn. If someone is going to start steroids it's better to ask and be informed than cause serious damage to yourself.

Now if we were encouraging the use of illicit steroids or trying to sell them, then that should bring down an immediate ban hammer.

This post was edited by HoneyBadger on Oct 10 2014 09:46am

It's not that I think it should result in a warn. Nor do I really care that he posted it here because I agree with you about trying to get informed. It just simply says in the forum rules not to discuss the topics of any illegal drugs (steroids) etc... Ofc that's summarized. But it's just the rules mannnnn. Either way I agree with you. Just wanted to inb4 10%.