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Jan 23 2013 10:37pm
I was honestly curious about this. Only been deadlifting for a few months and havent done anything near my max, trying to work on form.. but been struggling.

Thanks Aube.
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Jan 23 2013 10:39pm
You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you for sharing this. srs. :)
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Jan 23 2013 10:43pm
Quote (TempoONE @ Jan 24 2013 07:33am)
In regards to number 8) multiple rep deadlifts.  They mention that one should restart the bar when deadlifting.  But what about the eccentric portion of the deadlift?  Is that part useful?  Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what gives you lower back definition right?


They tell you to restart so you don't use the stretch reflex. You'll be able to have a better focus on your form. Eccentric part will help you to gain mass (as in every exercise) but it's also the part that will tire down your back muscles so you won't be able to last as much weight for as much time. You'll also have DOMS for a longer period.

Regarding the lower back definition you might want to take a look at olympic lifters. These guys never or almost never use the eccentric part of lifts making so they are able to train twice a day up to 5-6 days a week.



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Jan 30 2013 03:21pm
Quote (Aube @ 24 Jan 2013 05:43)
They tell you to restart so you don't use the stretch reflex. You'll be able to have a better focus on your form. Eccentric part will help you to gain mass (as in every exercise) but it's also the part that will tire down your back muscles so you won't be able to last as much  weight for as much time. You'll also have DOMS for a longer period.

Regarding the lower back definition you might want to take a look at olympic lifters. These guys never or almost never use the eccentric part of lifts making so they are able to train twice a day up to 5-6 days a week.

http://www.allthingsgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Lu-Xiaojun-Chinese-Weightlifting-Snatch-Pulls-Back-Cover-Milo-194-.jpg


Lu Xiaojun
He is madly ripped.

Also, consider that these lifters don't do traditional form on deadlifts, but has more focus on keeping their deadlifts the same way as they clean;
shoulders over bar, hipdrive for lockout (sort of a doublebend of the knee).
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Feb 8 2013 01:20pm
Quote (TempoONE @ 23 Jan 2013 21:33)
In regards to number 8) multiple rep deadlifts.  They mention that one should restart the bar when deadlifting.  But what about the eccentric portion of the deadlift?  Is that part useful?  Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what gives you lower back definition right?


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Feb 8 2013 01:46pm
Quote (Aube @ Jan 23 2013 11:43pm)
They tell you to restart so you don't use the stretch reflex. You'll be able to have a better focus on your form. Eccentric part will help you to gain mass (as in every exercise) but it's also the part that will tire down your back muscles so you won't be able to last as much  weight for as much time. You'll also have DOMS for a longer period.

Regarding the lower back definition you might want to take a look at olympic lifters. These guys never or almost never use the eccentric part of lifts making so they are able to train twice a day up to 5-6 days a week.

http://www.allthingsgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Lu-Xiaojun-Chinese-Weightlifting-Snatch-Pulls-Back-Cover-Milo-194-.jpg


Yeah, and they also have trained for 10+ years, 5-6 days a week. Not a valid model.

And I think most of the points are really good, but I never liked letting my upper back round. I want the deadlift to train my levaroes scapulae muscles along with rhomboids, trapezius, and trees, and that won't happen without my scapulae retracted.
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Feb 8 2013 02:18pm
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Yeah, and they also have trained for 10+ years, 5-6 days a week. Not a valid model.

And I think most of the points are really good, but I never liked letting my upper back round. I want the deadlift to train my levaroes scapulae muscles along with rhomboids, trapezius, and trees, and that won't happen without my scapulae retracted.


Actually, rounding of the upperback forces you to have a strong upperback. Without a strong upperback, you won't be able to lockout (rounded upperback forces you to pull the scaps back at the top of the lift).

As for the reps, I thought that was common knowledge. That's actually why I giggle when most people say they do X lbs for X amount of reps. Touch and go is a completely different ball game than resetting is.

The eccentric on a deadlift is pretty much useless, when it comes to strength training. A large amount of injuries actually result from the eccentric portion.
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