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Mar 12 2012 04:10pm
Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ 13 Mar 2012 00:02)
I'll say this...

Don't compare the two because one of them doesn't hit hams/glutes.


WTF? How comes so? I guess you're referring to leg press, btw?

/E tomorrow I gotta give a speech in my History class about the Scottish Independence War. Fuck.
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Mar 12 2012 04:12pm
Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ Mar 12 2012 05:02pm)
I'll say this...

Don't compare the two because one of them doesn't hit hams/glutes.


could u explain? because wouldnt that matter huge on leg positioning on both exercises?
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Mar 12 2012 04:14pm
Sorry, let me rephrase. One of them doesn't hit hams/glutes nearly as well and is complete trash in terms of lifting. Besides that point, I bet most people squat narrow anyways, so I guess it doesn't make too much of a difference. Remember guise, a wide squat helps a narrow squat, but not vice-versa.

Yes, I'm calling leg press trash. Using it in your arsenal is a cop out, imo. The only time I would leg press is if I had a broken arm or something.

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Mar 12 2012 04:17pm
And because I'm an awesome motherfucker, here is the EMG activity of the two when compared:

http://www.med.und.edu/depts/pt/PTWebsite/research/Plyo3/LegPressvsSquat.htm

EDIT: I'm aware to the fullest extent that it mentions nothing about the stances they take, which I'm sure nobody noticed.

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Mar 12 2012 04:36pm
squats followed by leg press or sldl is gz

on a further note i have become physically sick from heavy widowmaker set of leg press
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Mar 12 2012 04:36pm
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-leg-press-for-big-legs.html

basically stating that depending on ones physical build plays a huge factor on how effective squating can be

but the main purpose to article, or imo the most important is this
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Beyond that, let’s take a quick look at reality: Anyone reading this can go into any gym in the world and see the following

    A guy squatting who never adds weight to the bar: His legs will not be growing.
    A guy doing leg presses who is adding weight to the machine: His legs will be growing.

The exercise clearly isn’t the determinant of growth here.  Because exercise selection per se isn’t the primary determinant of growth; rather as I’ve discussed in recent articles such as Reps Per Set for Optimal Growth, progressive tension overload is the primary stimulus for growth.


he is comparing the inability to progress (in squats) to progression with leg press.... Ofc at that point the exercise that one is able to progress in is far superior.
but I personally cannot argue the fact that in good conditions (no back/knee injuries) squats > leg press in overall muscular development & strength

but squats are not "must" for muscular/strong legs

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Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ 13 Mar 2012 00:14)
Sorry, let me rephrase. One of them doesn't hit hams/glutes nearly as well and is complete trash in terms of lifting. Besides that point, I bet most people squat narrow anyways, so I guess it doesn't make too much of a difference. Remember guise, a wide squat helps a narrow squat, but not vice-versa.

Yes, I'm calling leg press trash. Using it in your arsenal is a cop out, imo. The only time I would leg press is if I had a broken arm or something.


That's not a problem, I always squat really wide. Not that I could choose otherwise, tho.
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Mar 12 2012 04:44pm
i always like to do leg press after squat because when squatting i cant really focus on my mind-mucle connection and getting a nice pump/fatigue in my targeted muscle. All my focus is spent keeping good form getting the weight up while not snapping some shit up.


When i leg press though i can keep all my focus in my ass/quads so i can really feel a burn and push out more reps without worrying about not getting up the weight or breaking form and snapping shit up


sooo basically if you dismiss leg press your dumb, theres a time and a place for everything
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Mar 12 2012 04:45pm
knee straps work wonders
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Mar 12 2012 04:50pm
Quote (TheOak @ Mar 12 2012 06:36pm)
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-leg-press-for-big-legs.html

basically stating that depending on ones physical build plays a huge factor on how effective squating can be

but the main purpose to article, or imo the most important is this


he is comparing the inability to progress (in squats) to progression with leg press.... Ofc at that point the exercise that one is able to progress in is far superior.
but I personally cannot argue the fact that in good conditions (no back/knee injuries) squats > leg press in overall muscular development & strength

but squats are not "must" for muscular/strong legs


Never said they were, but I'm simply stating that there's no point in taking the alternative method, unless you truly need to. Nothing is a "must" when it comes to lifting. You can get big and strong by doing the most ridiculous shit in the world, because ultimately, it comes down to progressive overload. All I'm trying to push forward is that it recruits the hams and glutes more-so than leg press, which would make it more ideal, no? Also, I believe there are more risks with a leg press, anyways. As for not being built for a squat, I have yet to meet anyone who isn't.

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Don't get your hopes up, leg press groupies! It might be easier on the knees, but it'll still tighten up your rectus femoris, and I've seen more back problems due to leg presses than any other exercise.

Additionally, Escamilla et al. (1998) found that the squat generated twice as much hamstring activity as the leg press and knee extensions. (2) Hamstrings recruitment can be advantageous in enhancing knee joint stability and building strength and functional capacity with hip extension. And, for those of you who've ever been involved in an anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rehab program, you'll know that the day you can get hamstrings and glute soreness after quad-dominant squatting is the day that you know the athlete is kicking on all cylinders and you've done your job!


http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/the_truth_about_leg_extensions

Before people get their panties in a bunch, it's Eric Cressey.

Also, I'm aware it's a leg extension article, but he makes mention of leg press, as seen in the above quotation.


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i always like to do leg press after squat because when squatting i cant really focus on my mind-mucle connection and getting a nice pump/fatigue in my targeted muscle. All my focus is spent keeping good form getting the weight up while not snapping some shit up.


When i leg press though i can keep all my focus in my ass/quads so i can really feel a burn and push out more reps without worrying about not getting up the weight or breaking form and snapping shit up


sooo basically if you dismiss leg press your dumb, theres a time and a place for everything


LOL? You're one of the people who thinks you need to feel a "burn" in order for something to work? Pumps do absolutely nothing for you in terms of strength and hypertrophy, whereas fatigue can be obtained through various other things. What's your targeted muscle during a squat, btw?

This post was edited by Trolloaloal33 on Mar 12 2012 04:52pm
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