whats the best pre workout and creatine u guys take or know of?


or interested in hearing what all supplements u guys take just curious

Black coffee. I mean if you like coffee why not use that? It's typically free at work as well. Atleast you know what you're ingesting. If you don't just have a caffeine table, half a year's worth is 8 bucks and again you know what you're actually putting in your stomach.

Zero supps for myself. Vitamin D during winter due to perpetually being in the dark.

This post was edited by SBD on Feb 17 2019 07:11pm

Same, minus the Vitamin D. I only administer the D if you know what I mean.

You administer your own D to yourself?

Don't bother with pre-workout. Just go for a cup of black coffee.

As for creatine supplement choice...creatine is creatine. So if we had to choose what's the better product, we'd be going by rated purity vs. cost and make a value assessment from there.

To check supplement/purity ratings:

www.labdoor.com

This post was edited by Darkblue on Feb 18 2019 12:40am

Lmaooo at everyone regurgitating the tough guy T nation bullshit about a caffeine pill or coffee giving you the same effect

@OP, PR BREAKER seems to be the current go to if you care about not putting any banned substances into you, if you don’t care then anything with 1,3d in it will give you a kick in the nuts

No one said that, actually. It is more of a question of not loading your body with artificial crap and saving your money.

dmaa

I have never read this t nation article. I just would never spend rediclious money on crap that's gimmick is using explosive words to try to lure in people to buy something that's largely a placebo.

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