I tried 9 days of Concerta 36mg. Felt absolutely nothing. I hear people without ADD get hyper on this. Just nothing. A coffee does 100x more.

I went into the same doctor today. She prescribed me 10mg biphentin instead, told me it's something different. I asked for adderall XR, so she also gave me a script for 10mg adderall xr.

I asked her what to do. She said:
- fill one script, see if it works, if it doesn't, take multiple pills in a day
- if that doesn't work, fill the other script, and do the same thing... try 10mg one day, then 20mg, and then 30mg

This feels like a shitshow of medical advice.

She also didn't seem to know that biphentin is the same as concerta. They're both just one thing: Methylphenidate. They just release at different rates. If 36mg of Concerta did shit all, 10mg of biphentin is a joke. That's like giving someone a blue caffeine pill at 10mg because the red caffeine pill at 40mg didn't wake them up. So I'm worried that she would give me a 10mg script for biphentin. Is she just testing me to see if I react to placebo?

I also asked her for 20mg adderall XR, she said start at 10mg. She was really apprehensive giving me the script.

How the fuck do I find a proper psychiatrist or medical doctor who doesn't prescribe me the same fucking thing in a different brand name, telling me it's something different?

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jan 31 2017 06:08pm

different name can have a different effect tbh

the original medication/molecule is +++ extensively tested

after that, other companies jump in, as long as they use the same molecule, its allowed but sometimes the effect can be off by like 50%, the molecule can react differently with the other elements in the pill, etc


tldr: give it a shot, if it flops, u'll need something else

I took 3 biphentin 10mg's after doing some research when I got home (instead of the bullshit 10mg single pill).

It feels like I've taken the best coffee of my life with no jitters, and I feel positive and happy but not high or euphoric. I'm 1 hour in from taking the 3. I don't feel shaky, I don't feel like I could run a mile, I just feel alert. But as far as focus goes... not much difference.

I'm just afraid this doc is giving me shoddy advice. I actually have to bring my mom in (I'm fucking 27 years old) to my next appointment to try to convince her that I won't abuse the drugs, that I am trying to treat a problem, and that my history of organizational and attention issues have been observed by a professional (my mom is a principal). As things stand my doctor clearly thinks I have attention issues, but she isn't convinced I have ADD. She basically said I'm an adult, and that she believes I should be able to try things out. But I can see apprehension in her, as if... if I find something that works, getting the right dose regularly prescribed will be an issue.

I don't even want to take any of this every day. It's meant for getting my life together in my studies and work.

the way you're able to focus on such long responses on d2jsp about a doctor not giving you what you suggest (lol u got ur phd now?)

and then act like nothing will work unless you get adderrall

ur problem isn't chemical

u legit suck st focusing and need to work on it

but u got in ur head adderrall will fix ur problems

ur pill seeking and fucked

Man lol, and you want to study accounting? Gl with that. Do you even have a job? How are you going to work through reports etc if you cannot focus?

Rude.

I would guess the term "pill seeking" refers to someone who is looking for medication for the wrong reasons? I wouldn't be interested in adderall XR if it didn't seem efficacious.

In terms of ADHD medication, there are statistics that support 33% responding well to methylphenidate, 33% responding well to adderall, and 33% responding well to both or something else. There are other more recent statistics that show that adderall is a more successful form of treatment over methylphenidate, but that is more-so based on the number of prescriptions... this may not reflect treatment of symptoms, rather than patients just seeking something they can 'feel'.

ADD-inattentive doesn't mean that someone cannot focus. In fact, hyper-focusing on obsessions or things of interest that release dopamine easily (quick rewards) is common. So, for example, researching about medications, reading about them, and posting on forums, is a very easy task. I'm not being tested, I'm not memorizing, and the reward is instant. That's just a brief, shitty explanation of how someone with ADD-inattentive may seem to have no focusing issues.

I am currently trialing the biphentin before I trial the adderall. In the end, if my symptoms are not treated, then I'm not interested in the meds.

Believe me, I've practiced focusing. The whole concept behind ADD is that it's not a matter of just practicing focusing. The next step is to see a psychiatrist, because experiencing a multitude of ADD symptoms doesn't necessarily mean one has ADD, that much is true.



One step at a time. Dunno. I love the work though.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jan 31 2017 09:23pm

There was a piece of paper kids handed out in HS that had a list of things to say to ur doc to get prescribed adderrall or vyvanse. This was like 10 years ago nearly

The amount of people on adderrall is ridiculous. It's the most over prescribed medicine, having national shortages for months out of the year. Also the most prescribed medicine to children under the age of 12. Parents so blindly give their kids these medicines and defend their doctor when in reality the doctor asks the parents what's wrong with their kid as the child can't elaborate what they're feeling. Lucky for you, you can, however many doctors don't take kindly to you suggesting a treatment and my GP makes fun of the "WebMD" google searchers, seeing a few symptoms and thinking this is their problem and this medication is the solution.

Zombie apocalypse is gonna be a bunch of people getting their meds taken away lol (not serious)

But forreal it just sounds like you lack motivation, minneal tasks with more short-term reward appear easier in contrast to long-term goals aka that job you would kill for, but the steps to get you there are tedious and you're not eager enough to accept that challenge

You said you get the reward from researching a medication and that's easy enough, but what is the reward? Getting a response from someone, getting something off your chest? Try a different approach to studying. Break it into smaller sections, not chapter at a time. I know people who can read a book and retain all the info, others have to highlight the pages, write notes on them, you have to figure out what works for YOU. I personally never figured out what worked I just smoked weed instead and jacked off onto the ceiling of my top bunk in my honors dorm room surrounded by smartass ugly babes I regrettably should have hooked up with because maybe she could be a doctor now and give you some real advice but I didn't and those jizz stains are probably still there I wonder if anyone else added to them, now I wanna know damn they tore that dorm room down 2 years ago guess I'll never know fuck wish I could jizz on my ceiling now fuck being in a mansion with 18ft ceilings this shit blows

Fair stuff here. In the end, I am putting checks in place: My doctor, a psychologist, and my mom. I want to bring a fourth check in, a qualified psychiatrist. I believe I am a good enough check on myself... if something works, it works and that will be obvious. But checks will be in place in case of something is working, but detrimental to me regardless of it working. I will also add that I don't like webmd. I've been basing most of my information on watching doctors who specialize in their fields talking on youtube videos, and reading information published on .gov websites or other accredited websites. I can definitely say that there's too much peer-reviewed content that contradicts other peer-reviewed content, and ADD drugs just don't seem to be ideal solutions to a problem. In the end, even the experts don't really give enough information on the web to make an informed decision.

My long-term goal isn't to stay medicated. If I do have ADD, I understand it's a life-long condition that doesn't go away... however I feel certain conditions are more or less manageable at certain stages of someone's life, depending on circumstances. It is circumstance that has brought me to this cross-road in my life.

Thanks for the cautions you've shared, I'm not ignoring what you've said.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jan 31 2017 10:08pm

No doubt bro I was half-heartedly joking, but adderrall is severely addictive.

I remember in grade school a kid had ADHD and ADD and all sorts of shit. He had to go to the nurse like 3 times a day to take his meds. One was before recess and that kid would come blasting through those double doors like "YESSSSSA MOTHERFUCKER IM ALLLLIIIIVEEEEE O_O" and proceed to run into walls and shit

I'll never forget the kids name either, he talked a million miles an hour and wore glasses that made his tweak eyes look even bigger O_O

Hindsights always 20/20 and that kid most certainly was HIGH ASF on legal amphetamines looooool

Efficacy has gotta drop as tolerance begins to develop and those who say you don't develop a tolerance are fucking stupid

All I'm saying is be careful big boss man, sometimes the internal problem doesn't respond to external stimuli

True enough. Just the name ("Mixed amphetamine salts") makes me cringe. It's truly a temporary solution, and I definitely want the lowest dose possible to keep tolerance down (if it works at all). If it helps me focus, I'll be using it during study days. If the dose becomes crap quickly, and 30mg doesn't cut it, then I'm out. I've heard of people who take adderall all day who have really really bad ADD (who need ADD to function in all forms of life)... but I can't imagine what a lot of adderall every day will do to someone years down the road. The goal is to help myself get over hump in life.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jan 31 2017 10:52pm