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Sep 24 2016 07:47am
whats the difference between eating your fruit and veggies for micronutrients, as opposed to relying on a multivitamin
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Sep 24 2016 11:52am
I'd like to see some evidence from those that claim food is always better. But I'd also like to see evidence from the other side of course.
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Sep 24 2016 12:46pm
http://examine.com/nutrition/10-awful-myths-perpetuated-by-the-media/

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How often do you hear the claim that whole foods are better than supplements? It’s been repeated so often that the word ‘natural’ has a positive connotation, and ‘synthetic’ or ‘chemical’ has a negative one.

As is often the case with absolutes, it’s not so simple. For example, supplemental vitamin K has much better bioavailability than its plant-based equivalent, due to the plant's vitamin K being tightly bound to membranes. Useful non-vitamins can also be more effective in supplemental form. One example is turmeric, which is often coupled with black pepper extract when supplemented. Otherwise, turmeric's bioavailability is quite low when consumed in food form.

Many supplements have a natural and synthetic form. This allows them to be accessible to many people. For example, if vitamin B12 could not be synthesized, it would be very expensive and an unsuitable supplementation option for many vegans, who need a consistent source of vitamin B12 due to their diet.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8813897
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Sep 24 2016 02:07pm
ah, so it's not conclusive which is objectively 'better'? interesting study
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Quote (dro94 @ 24 Sep 2016 16:07)
ah, so it's not conclusive which is objectively 'better'? interesting study


I think it is -- and it isn't. Supplement bioavailability varies massively. See the point above on turmeric. On the flip side, there is the possibility of "overvitaminosis" via supplements, but that's mostly a myth.

There are three key points on the side of getting vitamins and minerals from food sources:

1. If it's raw and natural (by source), it reduces the chances that your body will actually interpret supplements as an enemy and boil up into inflammation. This is actually more important when considering raw vs. cooked food. So, if anything, the lesson is that you want your supplements to be as unprocessed as possible. Silica is considered mostly hamrless and potentially beneficial, but it's still "safer' to err on the side of caution.

2. If you can get your "supplements" from good, why would you other spending extra money fruitlessly on supplements? -- huge DUH factor right there. The argument against this is that most diets don't contain enough nutrition. Well then.

3. This is more important. There are claims being made that artificial supplementation (btw this goes for meds, too) are mostly acidic. This doesn't literally cause any acidosis in your blood because your body is pretty good at buffering against acidity. But the extra work the body needs to do to keep you in a balanced PH state is the real concern. I've read studies on this and I'll just say that results vary. So if you want to err on the side of caution, go for it. Medication is going to do a heck of a lot more harm on other scores than on the point of acidity, so that is not your key worry if you've been locked into a few prescriptions. It would be so much better to be active and eat a healthy diet than actually get a disease state and then need to be medicated. Again, a DUH is warranted.

Let's flip the switch. Probably the two key points in favour of supplementation are:

1. Why eat so much extra stuff you don't like when you can just take a tablet or capsule. Boom, convenience.

2. Eating a healthy diet is difficult and most people don't like thinking much. You can skip the learning curve and "learn" how to get your vitamins and minerals via supplements.

I'm going to go off the grid and say why I think it is probably better to avoid supplements when you're in decent general health. It's about just enjoying your food, engaging your body in the way it wants to be engaged, chewing, normal digestion, etc., and not having lazy habits. It's just too easy for people to want everything done super-fast, without thought, etc.. It's too easy to spend money on stupid crap we don't need. Annnnnnnd a big caveat here: I do take some supplements, including turmeric. I eat probably 75% vegetarian, 75% raw. But I'm not a holy man and I still eat meat and drink my protein shakes. My point is that it's better to educate yourself about food and nutrition than to hand those duties off to doctors and supplement companies. It is better to be in charge of your own health. This last point should be especially appealing to people who are already awesome enough to lift. All you need to know is really just the bottom line for each major aspect of nutrition.
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Sep 24 2016 06:31pm
I take GNC multivits. They're about on par with some of the other decent ones.

I eat a fairly well-rounded diet anyways. Usually just have broccoli and spinach, easy to grab a fistful.

I also supplement extra vit D, ZMA's, and I have b6/b12 as well but those kind unnecessary since I have PWO's.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Sep 24 2016 06:32pm
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Sep 24 2016 08:40pm
http://www.healthresearch.com/vitamins.htm -- "Natural vitamins appear to be superior to Synthetic vitamins"
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Sep 24 2016 09:03pm
bioavailability

that's the difference

Quote (Canadian_Man @ Sep 24 2016 08:31pm)
I take GNC multivits. They're about on par with some of the other decent ones.

I eat a fairly well-rounded diet anyways. Usually just have broccoli and spinach, easy to grab a fistful.

I also supplement extra vit D, ZMA's, and I have b6/b12 as well but those kind unnecessary since I have PWO's.


lol WHAT does this have to do with the subject at hand?
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Sep 24 2016 09:14pm
Quote (Wretch @ Sep 24 2016 08:03pm)
bioavailability

that's the difference

lol WHAT does this have to do with the subject at hand?


I like my multivitmains you want pictures?
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Sep 24 2016 09:17pm
Quote (Canadian_Man @ Sep 24 2016 11:14pm)
I like my multivitmains you want pictures?


...ever think of writing a little personal blog?

or a diary, perhaps?
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