Taubes & Attia are the duo I'm referring to specifically.
Read this:

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/what-makes-us-fat/

They really want to waste 5 million dollars just to deduce it's the quantity and not quality that matters in terms of fat gain and fat loss? Everything else notwithstanding. Jesus christ

Peter Attia also endorses things like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/opinion/sunday/always-hungry-heres-why.html

Absolutely egregious. It's almost shameful to me. They literally try to blame sugar for all of obesity.. specifically they point the finger at insulin. LOL. Yes of course insulin will stall fat loss and promote fat gain/lipogenesis....... acutely.... but fat gain and fat loss is a constantly ongoing process. It's the NET flux that determines the gain or loss.. aka a surplus vs deficit.

Not to mention Alan Aragon shit on Gary Taubes and his nonsense. If his name doesn't ring a bell, he's the author of the book, "Good Calories, Bad Calories" *sigh*

I won't make a large post or anything.. just venting some of my irritation. They are asking the wrong questions and won't help anything. I hate they get so much funding for this.

I mean wow. If they really want to step away from thermodynamics and delve into the nuances of obesity and metabolic syndrome, researching chronobiology and general circadian signaling is a MUCH better and likely avenue. Smh.

where can i buy the book

do they accept fg

This post was edited by Qwaze on Aug 30 2014 09:13pm

wot

what an absolute waste of $$$

do they even DOE, RCA?

Lol Gary taubes. Nuff said

I'd rather see something about behaviour triggers -- why (psychologically) people overeat and get unhealthy. I mean, yeah, they're eating sugar. But they are either choosing to eat sugar or they are conditioned to eat sugar. And other crap. In both cases, there's potential for a solution. As a personal trainer I can give someone a pile of info about what's happening inside her/his body but if I want to help the person lose weight I need to affect the person's behaviour. Eat less shit, here's why. Do more exercise, here's why. Stop hating yourself, here's why.

On the other end I agree with Balla on fat. A lot of the reading I've done circulates around discussions of metabolic syndrome, and I have started to look at some of the other (non-retarded) literature as well.

Two prongs: the correct information and the correct application of information. Both harder to find than necessary in the world

One thing: Taubes is right about what sugar does in the body and how certain foods trigger different responses in the body, blah blah blah. But that's not rocket science and it would only lead to another stupid "prohibitive" solution or fad. It would be just as revolutionary to ask people to stop eating a lot of shit and to start exercising regularly.

This post was edited by RewtheBrave on Aug 31 2014 11:37am

i somewhat agree with you. There are mental disorders such as depression that cause otherwise inexplicable changes in appetite, resulting in weight gain/loss. I think that common obesity might have a more significant psychiatric side to it than what is commonly believed. I'm not that familiar with the literature, but afaik there are cases where the endocrinal appetite regulation system is faulty. This implies that the issue is more complicated than just "start running stop eating junk", because the very device that makes these choices is dysfunctional. It could be similar to the mood disorder that results from a malfunctioning thyroid gland.

This post was edited by Olod on Aug 31 2014 03:25pm

Sugars all round pretty much get metabolized the same way iirc
apart from fructose, which doesn't elicit as much of a satiated response


fake edit/ i thought metabolic syndrome was a crock of shit?

You're probably thinking of metabolic damage. Metabolic syndrome refers to a collection of indicators and symptoms that put you at risk for cardiovascular and circulatory disease. Shit like obesity, sugar regulation issues, high blood pressure etc.