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Jul 9 2016 08:50pm
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Jul 9 2016 08:51pm
Why? It's true. You think white people built this place?
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Jul 9 2016 08:54pm
What successful country wasn't build on the abuse of others.
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Jul 9 2016 08:58pm
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What successful country wasn't build on the abuse of others.


America

We gave indians casinos and blacks rap

If they are still mad after that than they should build their own country
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Jul 9 2016 09:48pm
wouldn't this apply to just about everywhere europeans went as they colonized different lands? fact is, that's old news, and you, your parents, nor your grand parents were affected by this.
fun fact, black people were the first people to enslave black people. black people owned and sold black slaves. and it was more than just one race that died to diseases brought over by foreigners.
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Jul 9 2016 10:23pm
Quote (Kokua @ Jul 9 2016 10:48pm)
wouldn't this apply to just about everywhere europeans went as they colonized different lands? fact is, that's old news, and you, your parents, nor your grand parents were affected by this.
fun fact, black people were the first people to enslave black people. black people owned and sold black slaves. and it was more than just one race that died to diseases brought over by foreigners.


"black people were the first people to enslave black people". This is a very annoying thing to read and hear ALL THE DAMN TIME. This is similar to the "I am not the one who enslaved them, it was my ancestors, therefore I shouldn't feel bad about this person being miserable." logic.
It focuses on who in the past is responsible rather than trying to improve the lives of a people that are statistically disadvantaged (and to say it is their fault is undeniably racist, statistics is a powerful thing)

Why do we not care about our own species?

Incoming rant that I hope some people will at least read and argue with:
What really adds to the situation and makes this image powerful is the fact that those people are treated horribly by the disproportionate amount of successful and powerful whites. In other words, we are formed into groups that are distinctly separated for reasons other than race.
This country owes a great portion of its success to those that we stole it from and those that we used to make it strong. And yet, because of how it played out, those people are much poorer and unhappier. Statistics do not lie; only people can lie with them.
Unless you actually believe that these people's brains are inherently different, the most likely idea is that they are there because their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. were all poor and unhappy, going all the way back to the last time their entire race was fucked over entirely.
This reasoning leads me to this idea: Unless you can come up with a better counter argument than the above (in other words, a better reasoning as to why minorities are poor), clearly it is owed to these groups to receive more support in terms of things like financial assistance, education, counseling and medical service.
To say no to that, unless you have a solid argument against the above, shows extreme distaste for those particular people. That is the kind of attitude that I think people need to get out of so that we can take care of ourselves as a species.
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Jul 9 2016 10:49pm
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It focuses on who in the past is responsible rather than trying to improve the lives of a people that are statistically disadvantaged (and to say it is their fault is undeniably racist, statistics is a powerful thing)


the image is focused on the past too, is it not? if what i wrote annoys you, wouldn't the image do the same?
is there still an ongoing genocide of one specific race and enslavement of another specific race at the core foundation of a country, specifically the one with the flag in the background of the image?
no, to you, this image is "powerful" and you are not opposed to it, though it goes against what you are criticizing and does not support what you are arguing for.
you see an image related to history - the past - and attempt to make current/present connections to it, using the past to back up your claim, while at the same time criticizing other facts from the past and assuming things that were not even stated.
please continue with your rant.
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Jul 9 2016 10:53pm
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the image is focused on the past too, is it not? if what i wrote annoys you, wouldn't the image do the same?
is there still an ongoing genocide of one specific race and enslavement of another specific race at the core foundation of a country, specifically the one with the flag in the background of the image?
no, to you, this image is "powerful" and you are not opposed to it, though it goes against what you are criticizing and does not support what you are arguing for.
you see an image related to history - the past - and attempt to make current/present connections to it, using the past to back up your claim, while at the same time criticizing other facts from the past and assuming things that were not even stated.
please continue with your rant.


the image is focused on the past, but not in a blaming fashion. It isn't using it as a defense of anything. I explained a message that makes the image powerful, not vice versa.
It does not go against what I am criticizing, due to the above reasoning.
This one concept is all that is needed to counter your argument. It is also upsetting that you have picked one of the smallest and shallowest points of my entire post to argue against.
Did you even read the rest of it?
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Jul 9 2016 10:56pm
Yeah, they should definitely feel ashamed for creating an image that is 100% factual, simply because of the emotional effect it has on you. I wonder what they were thinking? :mellow:

This post was edited by Arsenic_Touch on Jul 9 2016 10:56pm
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Jul 9 2016 10:59pm
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the image is focused on the past, but not in a blaming fashion. It isn't using it as a defense of anything. I explained a message that makes the image powerful, not vice versa.
It does not go against what I am criticizing, due to the above reasoning.
This one concept is all that is needed to counter your argument. It is also upsetting that you have picked one of the smallest and shallowest points of my entire post to argue against.
Did you even read the rest of it?


yes, i read it. i picked the one small portion that was relevant to what i was talking about, and i chose not to continue into a whole different discussion that you wanted to start.
but you know, cookies and brownies are so good thats why i decided to go onto the topic of cookies and brownies.
let me just write a paragraph about cookies and brownies so when you don't talk about my cookies and brownies, i'll point at you and say "hah" you didnt talk about the bulk of crap that i was writing, and instead focused on the one part that actually was relevant to what you were previously talking about.
so if you don't mention anything about cookies or brownies in your next reponse, due to my response being 3/4 related to cookies and brownies, your argument has been countered.
please continue with your rant.
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