Quote (Fome @ Jul 19 2011 06:26am)
ok this is a serious thread. anyone is welcome to comment, just make sure you dont just spam. iso actual conversation.
so this starts off by saying, i got suspend from jsp for hour and half for flamming an admitted terrorist. the reason i know this is because he posted thread saying "that god for 9/11".
now when i was telling this story to my mom, i called him a Hindu. (in fact most terrorists, and the ones from 9/11 were musslem), that being said, should someone who supports terrorism (from any race, IRA, Musslem terrorists, any form of "Terrorist" by definition), be treated with respect?
now before you answer that here is one thing that a group of musslem terrorist did.
they took "special ed" (down syndrome) women and children, strapped explosives to them, got them to walk to the destination the terrorists were attacking, (it was inside a school), and the terrorists would blow the down syndrome people up, along with all the victims that this was originally aimed for (innocent children at school), and would blow them up from afar.
now, blowing yourself up to kill others is pretty damn low to begin with, and still should be treated sub-human imo. BUT, to force people who cannot make up there own minds physically or mentally, and use them as scapegoats for "there cause", to me is beyond skum, and if i had the chance, i would PERSONALLY torture, and kill every single piece of trash who was apart/supports that (terrorism, of any kind, on any people).
to bring this back to my conversation with my mother, she believed that they should still be treated with respect after there hanes crimes.
i on the other hand believe the complete opposite (use your imagination).
what made my mother mad is when i refered to that person as a "Hindu or w/e the fuck he is" , and not a specific race, generalizing there whole race, (which is not wat i was doing, but i will get to that), claiming that they (as in musslems, hindus, packys, iranians etc....) are all the same and want to kill anyone who does not believe in there book of belief.
now, that being said, i believe EVERY PERSON in the world has the right to freedom of religion. i really dont care what others believe as long as it makes them happy, and they can live there lives without bothering mine.
but when a group of people abuse what they read, and take it out of context it ruins it for everyone....
so to continue my conversation, my mother then brought up the point that all religions have bad things in them, that are easy to missinturpurt. (if this is true then why even have religion in the first place....?)
my reaction to that was, yes there are wacko's in everything, crazy whites, blacks, asians, mexicans, you name it...no one race is perfect.
mind you, white people arent blowing inocent people up because they dont follow the same religion as them.
now...weather or not the koran actually tells there kind to kill anyone who doesnt believe the same as them, is based on how the human mind percives things (maybe a small hint to weather your crazy or not...)
so to the statement i said earlyer about generalizing races, this is what i meant.
if someone (or a group of people) supports that kind of pure evilness and truely agrees with terrorisim; they dont deserve to be seperated. meaning, im not going to actually take the time to think or care weather they are white/black/asian/musslem etc... to me, if your a terrorist, no matter your race/religion, you are skum and you dont deserve to be treated humanly. it doesnt matter what we call them, there still terrorists (again, this is only to the group of people in each religion who ARE actually terrorists. and tbh, i think musslems lead that catagory).
my mother said that, the books of religion do NOT say that, and those people are just crooked. (even so they still do it in the name of there god)
now, to me a religion where women cannot show there face in public, or they can get stoned to death, doesnt seem completely rational....
in my mothers opinion, its not the religion that tells them that, its "they way they are being raised". and they are being raised by crooked people who missinturpurt there book to do these crazy things.
but thats my point...it does actually say some of these things, otherwise it wouldnt happen in the first place, and there would be no such thing as terrorism.
my next statement was that, and this is where faith comes in for each individual person, is that NONE of these holy books have SOLID evidence of anything.
"God" created everything (according to christians/catholics), "Ala" the same for musslems, so and and so forth....
BUT, there is NO solid proof of anything. none, zip, nada, ziltch...
they have never found ANY ACTUAL SOLID PROOF of any form of "God"
now, heres my opinion on "God"
I will NOT say he exsits (due to the lack of actual physical proof)
I will NOT say he doesnt exsit either (because we have to proof he doesnt)
i do believe its unfair to try to prove/push your beliefs to the opposing side.
now, its fine if YOU want to believe whatever you want, thats great, if you must follow the bible, or your holy book, (and this is to the good people who actually do good in the world), then do it!
go for it! have fun. thats your life, and if thats what you want to believe, no one can stop you.
my point is, religion is 100% based on belief, or faith.
anyone who denies this is just being ignorant.
weather or not "God" is real or not, again souley based on faith.
now how does this have anything to do with terrorism?
because terrorists kill for there "God", but in fact, are they just killing to kill, or is there "God" actually telling them too do these terrible acts, or do groups of people just randomly start killing people because theres physically something wrong...or what??
this is where you come in. ive spoken my piece, the rest is based on opinion.
i hope everyone who posts takes the time to actually read this, and give there honest opinion.
im interested to hear everyones thoughts!
stopped reading after that... US government was responsible for 9/11... you really think a few " terrorists " could hijack a plane with box cutters.