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Oct 15 2014 10:03pm
Quote (Scaly @ Oct 16 2014 12:00am)
Wouldn't expect you to. It wasn't for you and if you're anything like the rest of your guildmates you don't have the intellectual capacity to comprehend even the entirety of this post, let alone the one you just quoted.


When I see posts like this one I like to imagine the poster is a dog rubbing his face over the keyboard and hitting "add reply" with his tongue

"You don't bark the intellectual bark to even woof the bark of my slobber"

This post was edited by Worrywart on Oct 15 2014 10:04pm
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When I see posts like this one I like to imagine the poster as a dog rubbing his face over the keyboard and hitting "add reply" with his tongue

"You don't bark the intellectual bark to even woof the bark of my slobber"


Good for you. Take a walk kid.
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Wouldn't expect you to. It wasn't for you and if you're anything like the rest of your guildmates you don't have the intellectual capacity to comprehend even the entirety of this post, let alone the one you just quoted.


Scorched Earth.
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Quote (Scaly @ Oct 16 2014 12:04am)
Good for you. Take a walk kid.


lol you argue with a meme-master how evolved

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Quote (S3rial_Joe @ 16 Oct 2014 04:04)
lol you argue with a meme-master how evolved


That wasn't an argument. It was a dismissal.
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Oct 15 2014 10:06pm
Quote (Scaly @ 16 Oct 2014 00:03)
Why do there need to be crossbreeds that can produce fertile offspring? (there are btw... ever look at a pet trading website? It's full of crossbreeds).


Different species can mate with each other, but they produce infertile offspring do they not? Different breeds can mate and produce fertile offspring.
I also can't get past the fact that macro evolution can't produce things like the eye by default, because it is a complicated structure that would not carry throughout generations.
Macro evolution exists, it just doesn't make logical sense that it created the complex organisms that exist today. But.... Without using macro evolution, because aliens would have to go through this as well to produce intelligent life, we have to turn to religion.
That is the main problem. Of course they can co-exists, but a lot people aren't willing to bet their meaning of life on faith, and ect.
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Oct 15 2014 10:07pm
i have a feel this will turn into an argument soon! lets watch
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Different species can mate with each other, but they produce infertile offspring do they not? Different breeds can mate and produce fertile offspring.
I also can't get past the fact that macro evolution can't produce things like the eye by default, because it is a complicated structure that would not carry throughout generations.
Macro evolution exists, it just doesn't make logical sense that it created the complex organisms that exist today. But.... Without using macro evolution, because aliens would have to go through this as well to produce intelligent life, we have to turn to religion.
That is the main problem. Of course they can co-exists, but a lot people aren't willing to bet their meaning of life on faith, and ect.


I don't think you understand even the basics of evolutionary theory... a fish didn't fuck a lizard and give birth to a salamander... That's not how it works.

Just because you haven't researched or can't understand the evidence doesn't mean it's nonexistent.
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Quote (Scaly @ Oct 15 2014 10:56pm)
Ok then. Let's try this -

Macroevolution - Evolution that results in the formation of a new taxonomic group above the level of a species.

I'm going to break down my argument into four simple primary points that any layman can examine:

1) Fossil - If we were to hypothesize that there is common descent between species, when we study the fossil record as a whole we should see an apparent and gradual change over time between different distinct species. For example, if we presume species X evolved from, or shares a common ancestor with species Y, over the course of Z years, we would expect to find fossil forms that change from X, to appearing to be X less and less like X and gradually more and more like Y, and those fossils should be independently dated and fit within the current hypothesis in terms of timescale.

2) Morphological - If we were to hypothesize that there is common descent between species, when we study currently living organisms, we should find various parts of the body that are "left over" parts, remnants from presumed previous ancestor species that those older species would have used for various specific purposes in their specific habitats, but currently have no known use or existing function for the current species in it's current habitat, or would have current uses that might be drastically different than their ancestors and were co-opted for other uses to adapt to different environments.

3) Genetic - If we were to examine the genomes of all living things, we should find patterns and similarities connecting different species and they would be related to the extent that the species are related. Like the fossil evidence, we should find patterns over time that fit into their respective time scales, and presumed relatives should share parts of their genomes that correlate to the combination between each species genetic rates of change and the amount of time between the divergence of those species. Oversimplified example: Species X's DNA is known to change about Q% each generation, and we think that species X diverged from species Y approximately Z years ago, we would hypothesize the DNA of species Y to be at most Z * Q% different.

4) Convergence of Evidence - If we were to hypothesize that there is common descent between two species, we should find this hypothesis is supported by the genetic evidence, fossil evidence, AND morphological evidence, and that each provides strength and independent verification to the others.

If macroevolution occurred, we would expect to find evidence supporting the aforementioned hypothesis, as well as each distinct area supporting the others. While this is only an extremely small and oversimplified part of the overwhelming evidence for macro evolution, providing independent and converging evidence that supports each hypothesis would be very strong evidence for macroevolution.


Great post. There is a plethora of evidence in each of the first 3 categories. The evidence is so overwhelming that it rivals the case for the theory of gravity.
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