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Jul 10 2016 12:19am
Quote (Nathan @ Jul 10 2016 01:11am)
It's not racist, but it's incredibly stupid. If you alone accept that economic status is correlated to "being successful" and that people on some races are economically worse off, then you would see that this is untrue.


okay yeah. i agree that there is a higher percentage of races being economically worse off but what are we to expect? are we all supposed to have the same amount of money at the end of the day?
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Jul 10 2016 12:25am
I was born into a poor family. I wasn't given anything just because I'm Caucasian. I've had to work hard to get what I have.

I never used my impoverished status as leverage and I didn't let it stop me from trying to make my own life better. Everyone is responsible for themselves.
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okay yeah. i agree that there is a higher percentage of races being economically worse off but what are we to expect? are we all supposed to have the same amount of money at the end of the day?


So do you still believe that "every race in America has the same chance of being successful"?
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Jul 10 2016 12:27am
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So do you still believe that "every race in America has the same chance of being successful"?


yes! i don't believe that every person has the same chance at being successful though.
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Jul 10 2016 12:27am
Quote (wraps @ Jul 10 2016 01:16am)
well there is the upbringing that has carried on for years so i do understand where you came from with this. it's a touchy subject and words can get mixed around easily but i'm just gonna go full blast.

families have been born and raised into the welfare life and that's really all that they know as far as how to get by in life. (this is all different races btw)

it's not about the race it's about the upbringing.


I agree, it is about the upbringing. One bad upbringing leads to the next. Some whites have bad upbringings, some blacks have bad upbringings.
Here's the kicker, though. There was a time where quite actually EVERY black person's upbringing was terrible. Some have been able to succeed, but many are stuck in the cycle.
Whites people may occasionally have bad upbringings, and those upbringings may propagate, but they were never at a point where their entire ethnic group was in a terrible upbringing.

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yes! i don't believe that every person has the same chance at being successful though.


does the above change this opinion at all? if race is even a slight player in your odds of being successful, which I feel this is a clear argument of, then I would hope your opinion is changed.

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Jul 10 2016 12:29am
Quote (Cannabist @ Jul 10 2016 01:25am)
I was born into a poor family. I wasn't given anything just because I'm Caucasian. I've had to work hard to get what I have.

I never used my impoverished status as leverage and I didn't let it stop me from trying to make my own life better. Everyone is responsible for themselves.


Your single example of yourself means nothing in the grand scheme. I was born into a VERY poor family, and have had nothing given to me and have succeeded nonetheless.
HOWEVER, this happens more often to black people. They are much more likely to be in this shitty situation. On top of that, they face heavy racism as well.
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Jul 10 2016 12:32am
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yes! i don't believe that every person has the same chance at being successful though.


What factors change one's chance at being successful?
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Jul 10 2016 12:34am
you should be ashamed for being white

this shit is true
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Jul 10 2016 12:36am
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I agree, it is about the upbringing. One bad upbringing leads to the next. Some whites have bad upbringings, some blacks have bad upbringings.
Here's the kicker, though. There was a time where quite actually EVERY black person's upbringing was terrible. Some have been able to succeed, but many are stuck in the cycle.
Whites people may occasionally have bad upbringings, and those upbringings may propagate, but they were never at a point where their entire ethnic group was in a terrible upbringing.


yeaah i kinda feel you there. i totally agree that black people had a crappy as heck past and i understand that due to that a lot of black people haven't been successful because of that.

things are a lot different now though. this day and age everyone is pretty accepted though. this is the way i look at it.. i'm white and love everyone as a whole so what can i do to improve the lives of black people?
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Jul 10 2016 12:38am
Quote (Nathan @ Jul 10 2016 01:32am)
What factors change one's chance at being successful?


the way that they're raised, sudden things that happen to them in life, lack of education.. a lot of things.
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