Quote (Nathan @ May 1 2016 01:52am)

you seem to not be willing or able to separate a job, i.e. some form of habitual labor from an employer, who is specifically someone who has private ownership over the means of production

simply look at a co-op, which isn't hypothetical. there are jobs, and there are no employers; the laborers are cooperative and are not working for one person but for themselves



you're right but most also can't acquire enough capital to become capitalists themselves (assuming they ought to) as they will be forever too busy affording their necessities and what they can save for themselves for emergency

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 30 2016 11:58pm)

You can keep talking about exceptions to the rule, but 99% of people won't work for a co-op, because there's not many around. Thus, they need an employer.

That's beside the point, but it's another reason that people need an employer.

Quote (Nathan @ May 1 2016 01:03am)

i will now contribute to the rights of the workers of the world by posting this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnUsHVkCcAAOZdM.jpg

Quote (Nathan @ May 1 2016 01:59am)

then i understand what you're saying more clearly: you're making a more specific statement than a general statement as i was

you're saying workers right now in this society need an employer

Quote (IceMage @ May 1 2016 12:14am)

You said the boss needs you, you don't need them. That seems like a statement on current society.

Quote (IceMage @ May 1 2016 12:14am)

I don't really see a point in commenting on a fictional reality when discussing whether or not employers need employees, and employees need employers.

Quote (Nathan @ May 1 2016 01:37am)

pretend i purchased red/bold for the title

http://i.imgur.com/TvTSfkY.jpg

labor is entitled to all it creates

the boss needs you, you don't need them

no gods, no masters

workers of the world unite

Quote (Whiskers @ May 1 2016 01:13am)

yeah workers

Quote (Nathan @ May 1 2016 04:15am)

indeed comerade