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Oct 16 2014 09:18am
Quote (Drakwen @ 16 Oct 2014 14:51)
he is the creature that looks half like you and half like the woman you impregnated, does that mean he evolved from you and her?

show me pics of the actual fossils that humans and chimps evolved from? oh wait you cant because they are 'missing' show me pics of fossils showing me the transitionary fossils in between them, and im not asking for the crude drawings all over the place id like to see real proof, oh gee i bet you cant, otherwise it would be the fact of evolution, not the theory.  adaptation is fact, evolution is not. get over it.


I've already explained to you that the theory of evolution explains the phenomenon of evolution or the 'fact of evolution' as you put it.

The fossils of the CHLCA (chimpanzee–>human last common ancestor) have not been found. You are correct there. However early australopithecenes (I forget the exact spelling), which are the earliest genus of common ancestor, are extremely similar to each other. As similar in fact as an asian and a caucasian homo sapien. The tiny period of time in which the exact CHLCA would have lived is so small that there are likely very few fossils to be found. You're asking for us to find a fossil example of one of maybe 100-1000 creatures that lived over 5 million years ago.

To put that in perspective that is like asking for someone to find the bones of you or someone in your immediate family a million years from now if all written records were wiped out and they had no idea where you or your family lived.

I'm done here. You're wilfully ignorant and propagating lies, deliberately or not. I have no wish to give you a platform on which to talk out of your arse and infect others with your inane bullshit.

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Oct 16 2014 09:23am
[QUOTE=Scaly,Oct 16 2014 11:18am]I've already explained to you that the theory of evolution explains the phenomenon of evolution or the 'fact of evolution' as you put it.

The fossils of the CHLCA (chimpanzee–>human last common ancestor) have not been found.

thats the missing link i was speaking of

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Oct 16 2014 09:27am
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I've already explained to you that the theory of evolution explains the phenomenon of evolution or the 'fact of evolution' as you put it.

The fossils of the CHLCA (chimpanzee–>human last common ancestor) have not been found. You are correct there. However early australopithecenes (I forget the exact spelling), which are the earliest genus of common ancestor, are extremely similar to each other. As similar in fact as an asian and a caucasian homo sapien. The tiny period of time in which the exact CHLCA would have lived is so small that there are likely very few fossils to be found. You're asking for us to find a fossil example of one of maybe 100-1000 creatures that lived over 5 million years ago.

To put that in perspective that is like asking for someone to find the bones of you or someone in your immediate family a million years from now if all written records were wiped out and they had no idea where you or your family lived.

I'm done here. You're wilfully ignorant and propagating lies, deliberately or not. I have no wish to give you a platform on which to talk out of your arse and infect others with your inane bullshit.


there is no clue as to how the one-celled organisms of the primordial world could have evolved into the vast array of complex multi-celled invertebrates of the Cambrian period. Even dogmatic evolutionist Gould admits that:

The Cambrian explosion was the most remarkable and puzzling event in the history of life.
Equally puzzling, however, is how some invertebrate creature in the ancient ocean, with all its "hard parts" on the outside, managed to evolve into the first vertebrate -- that is, the first fish-- with its hard parts all on the inside.

Yet the transition from spineless invertebrates to the first backboned fishes is still shrouded in mystery, and many theories abound.

Other gaps are abundant, with no real transitional series anywhere. A very bitter opponent of creation science, paleontologist, Niles Eldredge, has acknowledged that there is little, if any, evidence of evolutionary transitions in the fossil record. Instead, things remain the same!

It is a simple ineluctable truth that virtually all members of a biota remain basically stable, with minor fluctuations, throughout their durations. . . .

So how do evolutionists arrive at their evolutionary trees from fossils of oganisms which didn't change during their durations?

Fossil discoveries can muddle over attempts to construct simple evolutionary trees -- fossils from key periods are often not intermediates, but rather hodge podges of defining features of many different groups. . . . Generally, it seems that major groups are not assembled in a simple linear or progressive manner -- new features are often "cut and pasted" on different groups at different times.

As far as ape/human intermediates are concerned, the same is true, although anthropologists have been eagerly searching for them for many years. Many have been proposed, but each has been rejected in turn.

All that paleoanthropologists have to show for more than 100 years of digging are remains from fewer than 2000 of our ancestors. They have used this assortment of jawbones, teeth and fossilized scraps, together with molecular evidence from living species, to piece together a line of human descent going back 5 to 8 million years to the time when humans and chimpanzees diverged from a common ancestor.

Anthropologists supplemented their extremely fragmentary fossil evidence with DNA and other types of molecular genetic evidence from living animals to try to work out an evolutionary scenario that will fit. But this genetic evidence really doesn't help much either, for it contradicts fossil evidence. Lewin notes that:

The overall effect is that molecular phylogenetics is by no means as straightforward as its pioneers believed. . . . The Byzantine dynamics of genome change has many other consequences for molecular phylogenetics, including the fact that different genes tell different stories.
Summarizing the genetic data from humans, another author concludes, rather pessimistically:

Even with DNA sequence data, we have no direct access to the processes of evolution, so objective reconstruction of the vanished past can be achieved only by creative imagination.
Since there is no real scientific evidence that evolution is occurring at present or ever occurred in the past, it is reasonable to conclude that evolution is not a fact of science, as many claim. In fact, it is not even science at all, but an arbitrary system built upon faith in universal naturalism.


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[QUOTE=S3rial_Joe,16 Oct 2014 15:23][QUOTE=Scaly,Oct 16 2014 11:18am]I've already explained to you that the theory of evolution explains the phenomenon of evolution or the 'fact of evolution' as you put it.

The fossils of the CHLCA (chimpanzee–>human last common ancestor) have not been found.

thats the missing link i was speaking of[/QUOTE]

Fossils have not been found but there is other corroborating evidence to suggest it did exist. Genetics, morphology, other common ancestors for different points of divergence in evolutionary biology... it all points to the same thing.

Arguments from ignorance. This shit is exhausting. I'm out.
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Oct 16 2014 09:30am
[QUOTE=Scaly,Oct 16 2014 11:29am][QUOTE=S3rial_Joe,16 Oct 2014 15:23][QUOTE=Scaly,Oct 16 2014 11:18am]I've already explained to you that the theory of evolution explains the phenomenon of evolution or the 'fact of evolution' as you put it.

The fossils of the CHLCA (chimpanzee–>human last common ancestor) have not been found.

thats the missing link i was speaking of[/QUOTE]

Fossils have not been found but there is other corroborating evidence to suggest it did exist. Genetics, morphology, other common ancestors for different points of divergence in evolutionary biology... it all points to the same thing.

Arguments from ignorance. This shit is exhausting. I'm out.[/QUOTE]

what ignorance fool. i just sighted what i meant by missing link. lol you just derped yourself there son



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there is no clue as to how the one-celled organisms of the primordial world could have evolved into the vast array of complex multi-celled invertebrates of the Cambrian period. Even dogmatic evolutionist Gould admits that:

The Cambrian explosion was the most remarkable and puzzling event in the history of life.
Equally puzzling, however, is how some invertebrate creature in the ancient ocean, with all its "hard parts" on the outside, managed to evolve into the first vertebrate -- that is, the first fish-- with its hard parts all on the inside.

Yet the transition from spineless invertebrates to the first backboned fishes is still shrouded in mystery, and many theories abound.

Other gaps are abundant, with no real transitional series anywhere. A very bitter opponent of creation science, paleontologist, Niles Eldredge, has acknowledged that there is little, if any, evidence of evolutionary transitions in the fossil record. Instead, things remain the same!

It is a simple ineluctable truth that virtually all members of a biota remain basically stable, with minor fluctuations, throughout their durations. . . .

So how do evolutionists arrive at their evolutionary trees from fossils of oganisms which didn't change during their durations?

Fossil discoveries can muddle over attempts to construct simple evolutionary trees -- fossils from key periods are often not intermediates, but rather hodge podges of defining features of many different groups. . . . Generally, it seems that major groups are not assembled in a simple linear or progressive manner -- new features are often "cut and pasted" on different groups at different times.

As far as ape/human intermediates are concerned, the same is true, although anthropologists have been eagerly searching for them for many years. Many have been proposed, but each has been rejected in turn.

All that paleoanthropologists have to show for more than 100 years of digging are remains from fewer than 2000 of our ancestors. They have used this assortment of jawbones, teeth and fossilized scraps, together with molecular evidence from living species, to piece together a line of human descent going back 5 to 8 million years to the time when humans and chimpanzees diverged from a common ancestor.

Anthropologists supplemented their extremely fragmentary fossil evidence with DNA and other types of molecular genetic evidence from living animals to try to work out an evolutionary scenario that will fit. But this genetic evidence really doesn't help much either, for it contradicts fossil evidence. Lewin notes that:

The overall effect is that molecular phylogenetics is by no means as straightforward as its pioneers believed. . . . The Byzantine dynamics of genome change has many other consequences for molecular phylogenetics, including the fact that different genes tell different stories.
Summarizing the genetic data from humans, another author concludes, rather pessimistically:

Even with DNA sequence data, we have no direct access to the processes of evolution, so objective reconstruction of the vanished past can be achieved only by creative imagination.
Since there is no real scientific evidence that evolution is occurring at present or ever occurred in the past, it is reasonable to conclude that evolution is not a fact of science, as many claim. In fact, it is not even science at all, but an arbitrary system built upon faith in universal naturalism.


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http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/

Next time you plagiarise an argument make sure it's not from a fucking creationist website that has been debunked and laughed at by even WLC.
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Oct 16 2014 09:33am
Quote (Scaly @ Oct 16 2014 11:30am)
http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/

Next time you plagiarise an argument make sure it's not from a fucking creationist website that has been debunked and laughed at by even WLC.


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Oct 16 2014 09:40am
Quote (Scaly @ Oct 16 2014 10:30am)
http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/

Next time you plagiarise an argument make sure it's not from a fucking creationist website that has been debunked and laughed at by even WLC.


just looked up proof against evolution. the word you were looking for was plagiarize, btw, and again, like i said before there is proof both ways, there is no PROOF, there are no missing links, there are no halfway evolved creatures running around that we can study. just not enough proof.

not saying that there is proof that we were created either, just saying there is not enough proof to call it scientific fact, because it is not one, even if some take it upon themselves to say it is.
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Oct 16 2014 09:41am
Quote (Drakwen @ Oct 16 2014 11:40am)
just looked up proof against evolution. the word you were looking for was plagiarize, btw, and again, like i said before there is proof both ways, there is no PROOF, there are no missing links, there are no halfway evolved creatures running around that we can study.  just not enough proof.

not saying that there is proof that we were created either, just saying there is not enough proof to call it scientific fact, because it is not one, even if some take it upon themselves to say it is.


ya sorry theres more proof that states that evolution happen versus creationism theory.

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